Quadruplets Admitted to Yale

[pigs_at_sea]

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I don’t feel any hostility towards the quads because they did not choose to be accepted. What did raise my brows is Yale’s gimmicky move for a publicity stunt. This move by their admissions office made me wonder how they evaluate their applicants. This thread, in my opinion, should focus more on berating the actions of yale, the party that actively made the decision, instead of berating the quads who simply applied to an ivy with high hopes like all of us. WHat we should focus on is the actions of said ivy: yale. No one can deny that this is a huge, and very succesful by the looks of it, move to get attention from the media (especially on the internet). HOnestly, i congratulate the quads and whatever accomplishments they do have but this news really did out me off of yale university. even if i get in come april, i’ve decided that yale isn’t the right place for me for their standards and protocols have dissapointed me. I do not think i will be happy in such an institution.

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<p>WOW! perfectly-said. Can we please turn the discussion in this direction so that we can expose the craftiness behind Yale’s admissions process?</p>

<p>see, like i said before, **** yale. you don’t want us, we don’t want you. if all you live for is gimmicks and publicity tactics like this, you’re not worth our time. see your # of applicants go down down downnn</p>

[prestige_factor7]

<p>In regards to discrimination/racism against Asians/Asian Americans, there is a strong historical basis. While it is not to the severity of the treatment of African Americans via slavery and Native Americans via extermination, that is not to stay that Asian/Asian Americans are automatically granted access to American priviledges. Some historical events to back this claim up: various Chinese/Japanese (eventually morphing into pan-Asian) Exculsion Acts, which not only prevented immigration but also closed off all labor markets to Asians except blue-collar jobs such as factory work, farm work, etc (this also explains the growth of the entrepreneurial Asian spirit - because they were closed off BY LAW from jobs that guarantee social mobility); recruitment of Chinese, Japanese, Filipino workers as migrant workers and replacements for African American slaves whenever they would revolt during (yes, they were not slaves and they were “paid,” but for many of these “coolies” and migrant labels that arrived in American and South American during the 1800s, they could never escape the debts and it took most many many years before they would see any livable wages); Japanese/Japanese American Internment; etc.</p>

<p>The success of many Asian Americans (mostly Chinese, Korean, Indian/South Asian, Japanese) is because of the migration of professional classes and the subsequent “braindrain” from those countries due to Communism, Japanese invasion of Asia during WWII, etc. However, it is important to note that many first generation Asians are working-class, with the second-generation gradually claiming a middle-class status, which is perceived as “model minority.” The reason why Asian/Asian American household salaries are generally inflated is because 1) nearly all members of the family are working vs. traditional husband “breadwinner” and 2) Asian/Asian Americans are clustered in areas with high costs of living (California, NYC).</p>

<p>It is also important to note that “Asians” are not a homogenous group. Laotians, Hmong, and other political refugees as well as other Asian groups face absurdly high rates of poverty (on par with Latinos and African Americans) and many of them never have the opportunity to pursue the college path because of their generally low stats, poor socioeconomic backgrounds, and involvement in youth gangs, etc.</p>

<p>Just hoping to shed some more light on common misconceptions about Asian Americans as “model minorities” and having no disadvantages in regards to historical treatment by the US government…</p>

[Dbate]

<p>I don’t think Yale’s admissions process is about gimmicks at all. It is verifiable true throughout the admission process that Yale typically takes sets of twins or whatever, I remember a front page article in the YDN one day about two female twins.</p>

<p>These four were 4 out of 730 that were admitted, so I doubt the admissions officers sat around and thought: “Hey, you know how we can people to learn about us. Let admit these four randos.” Yale is WAY to classy for that.</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

<p>you wouldn’t see MIT doing something like this</p>

[southeasttitan]

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BACK UP. how about the racial stereotypes that say we asians are anti-social, nerdy, STINGY, selfish people. people who can only excel in math/science, who are robots. tell me that isnt racist. I live in a pretty liberal town, and even I have been called racial slurs before. stop trying to diminish my argument just because you think one race is at more of a disadvantage than another.

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<p>Sure, there’s stereotypes, but stereotypes exist around Italians, Jews, and the French. Stereotypes aren’t the same as racism. And yes, you’ve been called racial slurs. That’s still not evidence of systematic, institutionalized racism against Asians. You know why you won’t be able to find any? Because it doesn’t exist.</p>

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and sure, asians werent enslaved because whites never had the chance TO enslave them, they’ve always been isolated. but please dont ignore what happened to the japanese after WWII.

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<p>Right. They weren’t enslaved. It doesn’t matter <em>why</em> they weren’t enslaved, or killed off in American government-pepretuated genocides.What matters is that they weren’t. And yes, the Japanese were persecuted for a few years during and after World War II, but that’s nothing compared to the centuries of injustices faced by African Americans, Latinos, and Native Americans, so don’t try to pretend that it is.</p>

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You’ve just basically said that Asians have been able to overcome racism and achieve success. Why?? because we’re smart, because we work hard!

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<p>And other races aren’t smart and don’t work hard? Are Asians inherently better than blacks and Native Americans?</p>

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don’t tell me we don’t have to overcome obstacles. that fact is, we do, and we can.

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<p>You do have to overcome obstacles. However, your obstacles aren’t related to things like slavery and mass genocide in the United States. And they aren’t significant compared to those obstacles that have to be overcome by African Americans and Native Americans in the United States in terms of racism.</p>

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please do not try to argue that african americans and hispanics underachieve because of some inherent difference in treatment.

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<p>I am trying to argue that, because it’s the truth. The fact that you don’t see that is ludicrous to me. Are you <em>kidding</em>? Do you really think that you, as an Asian, face the same levels of discrimination as an African American? </p>

<p>So why <em>do</em> African Americans and Native Americans underachieve, in your opinion? Is it because of some inherent difference in genetics?</p>

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All I can say is that whites treat minorities (ALL minorities, including asians) differently than they’d treat each other.

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<p>But they don’t SYSTEMATICALLY DISCRIMINATE against Asians.</p>

[portugueseninja]

<p>Yeah, MIT would never admit four qualified applicants. This is MADNESS!!!</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

<p>they are qualified obviously, because yale can adjust its “qualifications” for anyone. </p>

<p>and how many “qualified” applicants did yale defer/reject? hmmmmmmmmm</p>

[portugueseninja]

<p>I can’t help thinking that you would feel differently had you been accepted, Pigs.</p>

<p>Jus’ sayin’</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

<p>^well duhhhhh
i can’t help thinking that you would feel differently had you been deferred/rejected, ninja</p>

[ChoklitRain]

<p>^ maybe yale saw through to the cockiness that I’ve seen you display on the HSL board, telling me to “shove it” when I suggested that Carnegie Mellon not be used as a safety.</p>

[portugueseninja]

<p>I don’t think I would change my opinions about a school based on their evaluation of me. I still have enough perspective to realise that their decision with regards to my application will be different to that of others. And I understand that it’s not something I can take personally. Out of thousands of applicants I could never be so bold as to consider myself more worthy than anyone else.</p>

[Melody224]

<p>portugueseninja, you are amazing and I completely agree with you.
I, too, am very disappointed in this thread. I don’t think that their acceptance is a gimmick of any kind, and I’m sure they deserve to get in. No one on this thread has any right to say who should or who should not get in to Yale.</p>

[southeasttitan]

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Out of thousands of applicants I could never be so bold as to consider myself more worthy than anyone else.

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<p>This. Pigs<em>at</em>sea, get over yourself.</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

<p>heh, no i will not get over myself. sorry mofos</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

<p>obviously yaleee didn’t seee enough of my cockiness to reject me. what what</p>

[coco40]

<p>I always come across these posts that sound like they’re coming from a really annoying 13 year old girl… and they are all from pigs<em>at</em>sea…</p>

[Shinto]

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"obviously yaleee didn’t seee enough of my cockiness to reject me. what what "

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<p>You should see what happens come April 1st. What what Lame.</p>

[pigs_at_sea]

<p>maybe i am an annoying 13 yr old girl!!! what whatt</p>

<p>what should i see on april first? oooo i wanna knoww</p>

[xrCalico23]

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Anyway. To those who claimed this is was publicity stunt. I recall reading on the NYTimes that they picked up this story from a local newspaper. Local newspapers generally publish acceptances of students in their towns or neighborhoods. A NYTimes journalist picked up on the story and decided to pursue it. Were it a publicity stunt, the Times would have been contacted directly or wouldn’t have included the a local newspaper as their original source. Schools like Yale don’t do publicity stunts, and don’t play with the people they accept based on anything other than their achievements. Let me know after you work as or with a senior admissions officer for a few years.

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<p>No? Not a publicity stunt? I hope you’re right because I found the idea that Yale may be “playing with the people they accept,” admitting students just to increase publicity and possibly endowment, well, slightly embarrassing. I’m not that familiar with the whole George W. Bush story, but didn’t he get accepted at Yale for something other than just merit? I really hope that schools like Yale truly admits people based on achievements alone, but I don’t think that is always the case. </p>

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Don’t blame the Quad blame Yale. I am happy for the Quad and I wish them success. Pure publicity stunt on Yale’s part. This is a very strategic and opportunistic move by Yale to look good in front of the black elites. Yale is probably looking for some TARP fund aka research grant from the Obama administration. You see, their endowment fund need replenishment after the big financial debacle. I am sure Harvard and Princeton are now comtemplating doing the same for the Quad. Stay tune.

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<p>LOL, the recession must have hit them harder than we thought.</p>

[DiamondT]

<p>It’s really funny to see self-proclaimed admissions experts on CC who feel like Admissions Committees should follow the advice of insecure 17 year olds.</p>

<p>The teenagers on CC think that Affirmative Action is employed mainly to address racial concerns of the past when it is not. When will you clueless 16/17 year olds realize that Yale and other colleges do not practice AA to make up for slavery, discrimination, racism in society, etc. </p>

<p>In fact, elite colleges do not even have a “formal” Affirmative action procedures that the insecure, whiny CCer’s think they do.</p>

<p>Colleges practice what CCer’s call Affirmative Action because they want DIVERSITY in the CLASS they are creating, whether that be in ethnicity, race, gender, interests, geographical location, etc. </p>

<p>And to these 17 year old CCers, you guys should realize that colleges do not accept students based only on their SAT scores. They practice something called HOLISTIC admissions. This is something that most applicants, particularly asian applicants, to elite colleges do not comprehend. They think that their 2400 SAT will automatically grant them admission when it will not. </p>

<p>It’s rather common to see Asian applicants complain about Affirmative Action. What they don’t understand is that an overwhelming number of Asian applicants apply with the same exact interests. Colleges do not want to accept the same kind of applicant, regardless of color, geographical location, etc because this will lead to a CLASS with no diversity in interests/extracurriculars. This impacts Asian applicants disproportionately since an overwhelming number of their applications read the same: Math club, plays instrument, plays no sports. Colleges select for leaders and pioneers across all backgrounds and they realize that you likely will not be add something new to the campus community if you have the exact same interests as 99.999% of applicants who look like you, regardless of color.</p>

<p>My dad is asian and he helped me alot when I was applying to colleges. He stressed the fact that colleges are looking to enroll a CLASS. This is something that most 17 year olds on this site, even those who spend their entire lives here, do not comprehend. A university is looking to accept a CLASS. And when forming a class, they need students who will contribute to all aspects of the campus community: in the various arts organizations, in athletics, in the many dance groups, in the acapella groups, in all the cultural organizations, and in all the dozens upon dozens of communities and organizations that exist on campus. </p>

<p>This is why you will face an uphill task of being accepted to elite colleges if your application reads the same as thousands of other applications, even if you have 2400 SATs, perfect SAT II, and 6.0 out of 4.0 gpa.</p>

<p>My advice for the HS seniors who are still writing their applications is to not be discouraged as they browse through some of these threads on this site and see posts from CCer’s with great stats posting Chance threads like “I have a 2400 SAT. What are my chances of being accepted to community college?” </p>

<p>Do not feel like you do not have a chance. Many of these students on this site will be rejected and subsequently will naturally blame their rejections on others like URMs, legacies, etc because that makes them feel better by rationalizing why they were not accepted.</p>

<p>So instead of being one of these CCer’s who will ultimately blame their rejections on Affirmative action or any other external reasons, I would urge you to work hard on your applications to demonstrate your unique qualities that cannot be replicated by anyone. You must demonstrate a unique HOOK that only you have. Having a genuine PASSION is related to this, and is also very important. Colleges like students who dare to set their own paths because they realize it will be these kind of students who will be the movers and shakers of tomorrow. </p>

<p>So to reiterate. For HS seniors who might be casually browsing this site, don’t be discouraged by CCers who might have over 10,000 posts and have stats that might be better than yours. Alot of them will be rejected because their applications will not demonstrate the unique PASSION that Adcoms look for. And when this inevitably happens, they will want to blame affirmative action. When you write your applications you must demosntrate a PASSION, whatever that may be. If you successfully do this and have demonstrated the requisite academic qualifications, you will have a much higher chance of admission as the Admissions Office will know that you will make a unique contribution and be a unique presence in the CLASS they are trying to create.</p>