<p>Golden Bear:
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ELC is not 60% of admissions criterion for Berkeley and LA. I don't know where you get that BS BabyBlue, but it isn't true.
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<p>It's called the UC Admissions Handbook for the 07-08 year.</p>
<p>Oh i know where you saw that, you must mean that 60% of ELC applicants are offered admission. I saw that too.
40% are denied. </p>
<p>it does not mean 60% of admission criterion though</p>
<p>^^OHHH....(sorry about that). Thanks for explaining quickflood!</p>
<p>Re: CA2006</p>
<p>ELC is defined as the top 4% of students GPA wise in a high school in California. This high school can be as good as Whitney HS in SoCal or my alma mater Lowell in San Francisco, both nationally ranked public magnets or can be as bad as the absolute worst school in the whole state. So ELC members come from both the best and the worst schools in the state.</p>
<p>You have stated that ELC are the top of the applicant pool. That is a factual inaccuracy. The fact is that a subset of the ELC applicants are among the top of the applicant pool, not the whole set of ELC students.</p>
<p>I'm sure you will agree with me that at many of California's not so excellent schools the top students are still not so excellent compared to a state or national pool of students. However, these students are in ELC as a group their standardized test scores will be lower as a whole due to the law of averages compared to that of non-ELC students hailing from many other excellent schools in the state.</p>
<p>Also, GPA standards are different across every school and every teacher. When the quality of students increases the ease of getting a good grade normally would fall if attempting to create a Gaussian (Physics has scarred me for life) or Normal or Bell curved grading scheme. In the lower ranked schools the quality of students is lower, so technically to enforce a bell curve students will have to do less and work less to get an "A" simply because their competition in their HS pulls the curve down.</p>
<p>Also, in reality nobody wants to fail anyone in HS? Why? The parents complain, the school board complains, everyone complains. So basically schools will normally pass all but the absolute worse truants with a D or C- grade. So the grading scale changes accordingly also. Also, schools want to see a distibution of enough "A" grades. Now, since they need to be given out, the top of a very poor class of students will get those high grades. Hence, these students will have high GPAs, yet do horribly on standardized testing because (A) they were not prepared for the tests in HS, or (B) are not very good students, but were only the best of the set of students in the school they attended.</p>
<p>Anyway, I'm not arguing that some ELC students are not in the top of the applicant pool, but a sweeping statement about ELC students being the top students in the whole applicant pool is fallacious.</p>
<p>forget about ELC for a sec,
you guys should really skim through this report, (I know it's long)
<a href="http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/compreview/mooresreport.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/compreview/mooresreport.pdf</a>
it's pretty shocking to see so many overqualified students get rejected.
it even seems like the admission rate is a bell shaped curve based on SAT and gpa, the best chance goes to people in the middle. people who scored too high on the SAT and have high GPA actually has less chance, according the the table.</p>
<p>Golden Bear, I really don't care for or need a long essay from you. I fully understand the ELC program. I never stated ELC applicants are at the top of the applicant "pool." ELC applicants are though the top 4% of their graduating high school class and represent the top 12.5% of the high school graduating class in state. My source?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ucop.edu/sas/elc/%5B/url%5D">http://www.ucop.edu/sas/elc/</a></p>
<p>I asked you in my last post for the source of where you got your information. Quite frankly I'm really not interested in more of your opinion on this subject or any further bashing. If you've got a source, great! I am still interested to read it. Otherwise, end of subject for me.</p>
<p>It doesn’t say ELC is the 12.5% graduating class in state, it says ELC is to help the goal of getting 12.5% of CA HS students eligible.</p>
<p>Wow. Almost a 4 year bump.</p>
<p>I was ELC, I was guaranteed acceptance by Riverside, Davis, Santa Barbara, Irvine, and Merced. </p>
<p>By 60% Baby Blue meant 60% of ELC students get admitted to Berkeley and/or UCLA.</p>
<p>Edit: Didn’t even see the date on this.</p>
<p>@katalinacmnacha8</p>
<p>It certainly won’t hurt you. Same thing happened with me, I was eligible but never bothered to actually apply or whatever it is you have to do.</p>
<p>My d received the ELC letter last fall. It clearly stated that she was automatically accepted into EVERY UC, except Berkeley and UCLA. All you had to do was apply, using the UC application. There is a reference area for the ELC number. You then select which UC’s you wish to apply to. You can choose just one or all of them. Letters also came from each UC to my d confirming that she would be accepted if she applied. She chose UCD, UCSD, Berkeley and UCLA. She was accepted at all. Cal and UCLA consider the ELC rating, but do NOT use it as a 60% portion of the acceptance, as someone stated earlier. It gives you an extra edge at these schools. So, again, getting the ELC letter will assure you acceptance to any UC except Cal and UCLA.</p>
<p>That’s just not true. UCSD, for instance, publishes their method for reviewing applicants ([UC</a> San Diego Comprehensive Review Admission Process: Freshman Selection, Fall 2010](<a href=“http://www.ucsd.edu/prospective-students/admissions/undergraduate-admissions/freshmen/process.html]UC”>http://www.ucsd.edu/prospective-students/admissions/undergraduate-admissions/freshmen/process.html)). ELC counts for 300 points, as opposed to 4500 for GPA and 3200 for test scores.</p>
<p>To amarkov,</p>
<p>Yes, what I posted is accurate. I am sitting here with the letter to my daughter, assuring her admission with her ELC letter–nothing else needed but the application. The ELC letter is very clear, and the letter from each UC (except Cal and UCLA) is also very clear that if the ELC is referenced, then acceptance is automatic. Additionally, once my daughter applied to these schools by the Nov. 30 deadline, she received a letter from each in December, congratulating her on her acceptance and admittance to these schools – obviously much earlier than any acceptance letters sent out to other students. She then received a follow-up letter in January.</p>
<p>I suspect the phrasing of the letter is confusing to many. ELC students are guaranteed to be eligible for admissions - eligible and will be reviewed along with any other eligible applicant - in spite of their GPA or standardized test scores. They do not have to meet the minimum levels for eligibility that others must (eligibility in the statewide context) because they are eligible in the local context. </p>
<p>ELC applicants are also guaranteed admission - to at least one UC but not to every UC. For the year in question, only five campuses gave guaranteed admission - Davis, Irvine, Merced, Riverside and Santa Barbara. The others will use it as a factor in their decision, but give no guarantee. </p>
<p>The confusion is over two separate concepts - guaranteed eligible to be evaluated for admission versus guaranteed to be accepted once you apply. </p>
<p>For UCSD, as someone already replied, their formulaic administration grants a 300 point preference out of 11,100 for ELC against a score needed for admission from all factors of roughly 7800. Santa Clara also has a formulaic admissions methodology that grants 200 points (out of 9200 total possible) for admission. UCLA and Cal use a less rigid, non-formulaic admissions process.</p>
<p>From the mouth of the UC system itself at [University</a> of California - Counselors](<a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/educators/counselors/resources/askuc/answers/localelibility.html]University”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/educators/counselors/resources/askuc/answers/localelibility.html)</p>
<p>Which UC campuses are guaranteeding fall 2009 admission to ELC students?
UC Davis, UC Irvine, UC Merced, UC Riverside and UC Santa Barbara are guaranteeing fall 2009 admission to ELC students who satisfactorily complete the subject and examination requirements.</p>
<p>UC Berkeley, UCLA, UC San Diego and UC Santa Cruz are not guaranteeding fall 2009 admission to ELC applicants; however, these campuses do take students’ ELC status into consideration during comprehensive review.</p>
<p>I got letters from every UC besides Berkeley, LA, and SD that I would be accepted before I even applied. And UCSD sent a “Scholar’s Day” thing that meant you were accepted soon after. Maybe that’s the kind of unofficial acceptance letter lanimer means?</p>
<p>The 60% means that they accept 60% of ELC applicants, but it doesn’t mean that ELC is 60% of the criteria they use to make their decision.</p>
<p>Sagert,</p>
<p>It looks like you are referring to 2009. I am talking about 2010 fall admissions. My daughter clearly has a letter that I am looking at right now. She was guaranteed admission to EVERY UC except Cal and UCLA. I am NOT misunderstanding the wording. In addition, after she checked the boxes and applied, she received an EMAIL AND A LETTER IN DECEMBER congratulating her on her acceptance and admittance to USD and USCD. In March she received admittance to UCLA and Berkeley. (She did not apply to any of the other UC’s) </p>
<p>Her ELC letter is VERY CLEAR: apply to ANY UC except UCLA and Cal and she would automatically be admitted. I am also looking at letters from EVERY UC school except Cal and UCLA that she received in November, confirming this. </p>
<p>Many things changed this year for the UC’s and their admission process.</p>
<p>Sagert,</p>
<p>Also, the wording was not that she would be “eligible,” but that she would be “guaranteed admission.”</p>
<p>Ah, okay. My bad lanimer.</p>
<p>we are all surprised because the UC system didn’t say that or communicate it to any college counselors and left the information they provide to counselors out of date.</p>