<p>(1)For a nonnative speaker, how much would be competitive on SAT Language test(w/o listening test) say 700+? 750+?
(2)Among all these language tests, are they of approximately same difficulty or that there's certain difference in between? say Japanese, Chinese and Spanish, French, or sth similar?</p>
<p>Thx pals</p>
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<p>i've only taken spanish, but i'm not a native speaker and i got a 750. it's not that difficult, although i should say that the year i took it i was prepping for both AP spanish tests, so that definitely helped. depending on how many levels you've taken, you'll probably do well.</p>
<p>i have no idea about the others, but i've heard chinese is extremely easy, even if you're not a native speaker. my friend took it after three years of HS chinese and got a 790.</p>
<p>i took french in the same year that i took the ap french exam... scored a 4 on ap, but only a 660 on the sat...</p>
<p>I teach French and Spanish in HS. There are two SAT IIs in Fr and Sp, and perhaps in others, but I only know about these two. One is with listening, and is given only in early November. The other is without listening and basically tests your reading comprehension and grammar. That one is given all the other dates. They are both an hour in length, so the one with listening has less grammar/reading comp. The listening part can be daunting, if you are not very good and well-versed in hearing native French/Spanish. The curve for the Spanish SAT II is often skewed by native speakers who take the test and probably the French is the same. But they are not at all impossible, as indicated above. My D took Fr w/list and got 670, without studying at all. This was considered quite good, but she took it as the third SAT II, not as one of the main two that most schools ask for. I would suggest getting a book of preparations to help you understand what they will ask. If you want to do the one with listening, use the CDs that come with the book to practice. Good luck!</p>
<p>thx guys.
hell there're lotta natives taking their languages in SAT IIs... they speak those languages better than the test makers do...</p>
<p>^ Oh I know! My friend took the Chinese one..laughed her way through it (she thought the questions were really stupid) and then slept for 30 minutes. Got a 800. </p>
<p>..Kind of unfair for everyone else though</p>
<p>and that is why top unis now say you can't take the test that is in your own mother language :)</p>
<p>The SAT French Subject Test with Listening was much easier than the AP test because the reading passages and grammar sections are much more straightforward. I don't really know what to say about the differences between the tests, except that the Chinese one has the lowest percentile for 800, meaning that A LOT of native speakers take it and get that score. So if you're considering taking the French one, I can answer any questions. But if not, good luck with any other ones :)</p>
<p>Based on my score, I think a competitive score for a nonnative in Spanish would be 700.
I did take it with listening, though.</p>
<p>^I don't know how that happened...I meant to type 750</p>
<p>The SAT language tests are easy man, dont fret if you know your stuff. If not, get your ass of CC and speak the language with a native speaker.</p>
<p>Im a non-native Chinese speaker and I got an 800 on the SAT 2 without any prep. </p>
<p>Youll be fine.</p>
<p>I think the test is actually kind of difficult, if only for one reason: The curve. Due to the large amount of native speakers taking the tests, anything below an 800 is almost useless (in the 40-50th percentile at best). This puts a lot of pressure on the test taker to not make any mistakes. I got an 800 on Chinese, but I didn't exactly think it was cakewalk...</p>
<p>Bigb, r u saying that no 800 no good....
cuz That's kinda scary</p>
<p>^The thing is, colleges mainly look at the percentiles. Even an 800 is in the 70th percentile at best, so as far as I was concerned, I needed an 800. For a non-native speaker, i'm not sure if colleges look at it differently or whatnot, so other CCers help me out on this...</p>
<p>There is absolutely no way that a college would look at strictly percentiles for the Language Tests. Because there are so many Native speakers who take the exam, they destroy the curves and lower the percentiles for higher scores - colleges know this. Therefore, a non-native speaker of Spanish for example, who gets an 800 is NOT viewed the same way as a native at all.</p>
<p>^That's nice to know, if it's true.</p>
<p>Colleges don't look at percentiles on ANY of the SAT II's. They're all skewed because the general population doesn't take them, only people that consider themselves strong in an area take that subject test, making the percentiles useless.</p>
<p>Example: Last year there were almost as many 5's on the AP Calculus BC as 1 2 3 and 4s combined. (30,000 fives out of a total 70,000 taken) making a 5 approximately the 60th percentile while 50,000/220,000 people get 5s on the AB test making a five approximately 77th percentile while a 4 is a 60th percentile on the AB test. That by no way means that a 5 on the BC is equal to a 4 on the AB, it just means that people that are better at math take the BC skewing the percentages. If you got a 4 on the BC that's equivalent to a 5 (and then some) on the AB. Hence percentiles are totally useless for things like this (and the same thing happens on the SAT IIs. Math II has much lower percentages than Math I but is definitely not harder but better people at math take it.)</p>