Question for parents...what do you think I should do re: summer jobs?

<p>To preface this: I'm a nursing student.</p>

<p>...I have a job dilemma: </p>

<p>There's a summer job that I've wanted for almost 3 years now...a "city host" position with a Christian organization (CSM) doing missions work in the inner city...and then there's camp nursing, a job that I've always thought I would apply for/take the summer after my junior year in college (I'm a sophomore), mostly because I didn't know that camps hired students... </p>

<p>So, I'm pretty far into the process with CSM...I've filled out the application, done the phone interview, and am trying to schedule the last part, the site visit, and I've also applied at various summer camps that hire students, and have a bite from one...a BIG BITE!...as in, less than a week has passed since I put my profile on a site for camp nurses, and this camp has already emailed me, called me, and said that "maybe we could tie this up in the next couple of days." </p>

<p>I can't do both, as they're both summer long positions...but I don't know which I'd prefer because they both have their pros and cons. CSM doesn't make their decision til around March...but if I get an offer from the camp within the next couple of weeks, I'll have to make a decision without knowing about CSM...</p>

<p>CSM Pros: </p>

<ul>
<li>Organization does great work </li>
<li>Good experience in community (I want to do community health nursing or pediatrics) </li>
<li>Get to live in a city for the summer, hopefully LA </li>
</ul>

<p>CSM Cons: </p>

<ul>
<li>Long days </li>
<li>Shared residence </li>
<li>Gone for the entire summer </li>
<li>Much less pay than the camp</li>
</ul>

<p>Camp Pros: </p>

<ul>
<li>Nursing experience </li>
<li>Some independence </li>
<li>Get to work with kids full time </li>
<li>Only 2 months of the summer </li>
<li>Amazing pay</li>
</ul>

<p>Camp Cons: </p>

<ul>
<li>Limited experience </li>
<li>Stuck at camp all summer </li>
<li>Would be a major minority there (I'm black and a Christian, and most people who attend the camp, and even work there are Jews) </li>
</ul>

<p>I feel like I can make a really good argument for either job, though as of right now, it's easier to say why I should take the camp job...</p>

<p>Camp job argument:</p>

<p>It's pretty much in the bag, it's much better pay (more money for less weeks worked, and probably less hours worked per week as well), it starts later in the summer so I could have a real vacation beforehand, it'll give me experience in nursing (and in peds which is great because I'm thinking about that as a career, and my peds class is next year), networking (I'll be working with one other nurse -- 3 if you count the two nurses at the other camp that's connected, and 4 doctors), I love working with kids, it would be closer to home, and summer camp is fun!</p>

<p>However...my argument for CSM goes something like this:</p>

<p>It's a job I've wanted for years, this is the only year it really makes sense (next year I'll be a graduate nurse and will be taking the NCLEX during the summer and will be able to work either as a GN or RN, and the year after that, I'll be done with college and needing to find a permanent job), I'm almost guaranteed to love it, I'll never get bored, I'll be in a city, I'll get leadership and community experience, networking for community organizations (I also have an interest in community health)...</p>

<p>Help me out here, please.</p>

<p>What a nice dilemma to have! How uncertain is the CSM job? I suppose that once you get the camp offer, you could call CSM and tell them that you can’t wait until March for a response. If they won’t or can’t commit, then I would take the camp job.</p>

<p>Interesting.</p>

<p>My d and h did a week at a CSM in Houston. As you mentioned, it was LONG days that went into the nights most days. They both felt the center lacked in organization. I can’t imagine doing what they did for the entire summer but bless you if you do.</p>

<p>It does seem to me that the camp job fits more with your career plans but as Hunt said, it sounds like you’re in a good place to be!</p>

<p>It is quite the dilemma, isn’t it?</p>

<p>The CSM job is pretty uncertain. I have no idea how many applicants are, but I know that they hire somewhere around 60 people to be the hosts in the 9 cities they work in. I also know that 8 people are chosen to work in LA. The people at CSM seem to really like me, and my phone interview went well, but I’m just not sure what my chances actually are.</p>

<p>HighlandMom - My youth group did a week with CSM in Toronto, and it did not seem disorganized in the least! Maybe because each city has a different director, so I’m sure it can vary.</p>

<p>this is a no-brainer: $$ + hands-on experience = go to camp!</p>

<p>That would be 100% going with the head though and ignoring the heart…and I don’t know that I can do that. </p>

<p>The week I spent in Toronto with CSM was one of the best weeks of my life. I’m actually not sure that I can think of anything else that even compares with it. I’ve wanted to be a CSM city host since that week, but you have to have a year of college before they’ll hire you, so it wasn’t an option til last summer, and then I couldn’t do it because I had to take a class. I honestly think that I would absolutely love the job, and love living somewhere else for a summer and interacting with and getting to know people that I would otherwise never talk to. It would also give me great insight into community organizations, a plus for community health nursing.</p>

<p>But as I said…it’s easier to say why I should take the camp job…</p>

<p>Go with your gut here, or as you call it, your heart. What makes you feel most excited when you imagine each? I have almost always followed my gut and it has never once let me down; and the few times I opted for the ‘right’ or ‘rational’ choice, it came with regret. And I’ve been extremely successful and happy. I really swear by it.</p>

<p>Flip the coin, this way you will never regret, you will blame it on coin.</p>

<p>I agree with Hunt’s idea: once you receive an offer from one, contact the other and explain the situation.</p>

<p>If the two are truly tied in your mind, I wouldn’t turn down a sure offer without hearing from the other in the hopes that the other would come through later. Sometimes circumstances help make the decision for us!</p>

<p>Also, consider whether one of the camp disadvantages is actually an advantage. It might be an interesting thing to be a Christian working among mostly Jews. As a Christian, I once lived in a place where I was a distinct minority. Some of my most interesting conversations were with a neighbor who was an observant Jew, from whom I learned a lot.</p>

<p>I will just repeat that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush; you may not want to give up the camp job unless you are assured that you’re getting the other job.</p>

<p>I am definitely leaning towards the camp.</p>

<p>Well, here is a question. If you turn down the CSM thing and go to camp, would you be able to apply to do CSM at another time? Because it sounds to me like this might be a once in a lifetime thing you can do as a college student during your “free” summers, and not something you would be able to do after you graduate/once you start working. </p>

<p>If you turn down the nursing gig and do CSM (or don’t), presumably you could always be a camp nurse another summer, even after graduation. Not to mention that there are tons of camps out there. By March at least a few of them will still be looking for staff most likely.</p>

<p>If I turn down CSM, I could apply again next year, but probably not after that because I graduate in 2013, and then I’ll need to be finding a full time gig. The only way after I enter the work world I could do CSM would be if I had a job in which I got summers off…highly unlikely, especially considering I’m going into nursing.</p>

<p>Camp nursing is kind of the same. There’s this summer and next summer because after that, I need to be looking for a full time job (though doing it the summer I graduate would be an option if I don’t have another job lined up earlier).</p>

<p>By Match, it’s true, there wil still be some camps looking for staff, but most of them probably won’t be looking for students because there aren’t nearly as many that hire students as ones that hire RNs, LPNs and EMTs.</p>

<p>Is there any guarantee that you’ll get an offer from CSM? If not, I don’t see how you can really turn down the camp. If you get the camp offer I agree that you could call CSM and say, “Look, I really want to work for you, but I need a definite answer soon.” See what they say.</p>

<p>Isn’t it nice to have two good choices? :slight_smile: (Of course this only applies if CSM actually offers you a job. Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched!)</p>

<p>I’m in the “bird in the hand” camp. If you get the camp job, definitely call the CSM folks to see if they can make an earlier decision. If not, I’d go with the sure thing, especially since it sounds like a nice alternative that fits in with your future plans.</p>

<p>Our S asked us a similar question for his engineering job–go with a sure job offer or wait until another he was interested in MIGHT commit. We suggested he contact the uncommitted one & explain the situation, offering the opportunity to give him a firm offer he could consider. He then accepted the sure thing and had a great summer without having lingering “what if” regrets. CSM must realize that many applicants have other options available and it would be good to give them the opportunity to make a firm offer once you have the camp offer in hand and camp gives you as long as they comfortably can to consider it and weigh it against CSM.</p>

<p>My niece was going to do a camp gig in China but after she made elaborate plans, it didn’t pan out & she had already turned down a lot of good options and didn’t have as many choices about what to do that summer, so I’d try to get a WRITTEN FIRM commitment from each place to consider and not end up disappointed by a “pretty sure offer,” that doesn’t materialize as touted.</p>

<p>No, there is no guarantee that I’ll get a job with CSM.</p>

<p>The nice thing about my situation is that even if I turn down the camp and don’t get hired by CSM, I can have a job in nursing this summer, guaranteed. I can work as a student nurse aide in the hospital my nursing school is affiliated with (they hire everyone who applies and can attend the orientation then work at least 24 or 32 hours a month). That’s not what I would like to do, but it’s an option.</p>

<p>I’ll probably give the camp a call tomorrow and see what happens and then go from there.</p>