<p>Getting high enough numbers to get into IIT is a huge task. So don't look down your nose at IIT=numbers.</p>
<p>IIT= numbers is only the admissions process, not what ensues in the students' caareers and experiences at the university, and once they gradutate.</p>
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<p>also getting a good percentage in Indian high school education isnt easy either.. It's definately harder than the regular high school education here in the US...</p>
<p>True </p>
<p>Remember that only like 5% of children get those quality educations though</p>
<p>1) Harvard
2) Wake Forest</p>
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<p>what do you mean?</p>
<p>Most of the kids in India are poor.</p>
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<p>10% of the kids go to schools in India ( sad... ).. However, 10% of a billion is still a lot ( Quoted from the UNICEF website: The number of children attending school has gone up many-fold since the time of Indias Independence increasing from around 19.2 million in 1950-51 to 113.8 million in 2000-01. ) .. Quite a lot of Indians residing in the middle east go to Indian schools.. In my previous Indian high school in Dubai alone, there were 8000 students..</p>
<p>I guess your right though... More kids need to go to school in India <em>sigh</em>... Oh well....</p>
<p>Yeah, I know...it is sad</p>
<p>but then again, a century ago not many kids in America went to school either, so hopefully things will get better with time</p>
<p>I've heard from several British people that Cambridge is considered better than Oxford, despite the fact that most Americans think that it's the other way around.</p>
<p>Katie07,</p>
<p>You're not alone. However, I'm more inclined to just refer to the two as Oxbridge and avoid the issue altogether.</p>
<p>Nice perspective.</p>
<p>here's my rank:
1. upenn,
wake forest
2. und
3.harvard
4.tcnj
5.</p>
<p>katie, I think you'd struggle to say Cambridge is better than Oxford, or vice versa. They're both equally excellent, though officially the Times has placed Oxford at number 1 above Cambridge for the last 4 years running.</p>
<p>IIT is numbers, I am Indian and I know so many Indians who went there who did absolutly nothing but study. Yes they got the score, and got accepted...ITT is soley based on numbers, despite the occasional exceptions.</p>
<p>Hmm, here's my UK perspective:</p>
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<li>Oxbridge / HYPS / LSE (London) / IIT (India) / Tsinghua (China) / Tokyo </li>
<li>Lots of great American unis (e.g. MIT, UC Berkley, etc.) + Imperial College London + some foreign ones which probably don't have the same prestige but are just as competitive</li>
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<p>I'm only ranking them for undergrad studies btw.</p>
<p>Katie07: It's true that Cambridge is seen as having an academic edge over Oxford within the UK, but not enough that you would automatically pick it as your first choice. They both take students of the highest calibre. They also tend to have reputations in different areas, e.g. Oxford for politics, Cambridge for sciences. Both are equally good for Law but Oxford has a better postgrad Law programme (the BCL). Cambridge is better for the first half of medical training (the scientific bit) whilst Oxford is reputedly better for the second half (which is based in hospitals). Cambridge tends to be better in more subject areas than Oxford (including ones you might not expect, like History and Economics), which is why it is said to have the edge. As you can see, though, it's not so simple as saying one is better than the other!</p>
<p>SteveUK, the US is only 6hrs ahead of you guys, so 16 months is really pushing it.</p>
<p>Stop This Isanity!</p>
<p>How successful are Oxbridge undergraduates at applying to top US Grad Schools (HYPSM) as opposed to ivy league undergraduates?</p>
<p>I have heard that US grad schools favor Oxbridge applicants because of their depth of specialized education. Can anyone verify this?</p>
<p>And, can it not be assumed that Oxbridge is probably better for undergrad education, while US unis are better for graduate school?</p>
<p>With regards to the Oxford/Cambridge prestige thing, I think it is assumed that Oxford is best/most respected for the humanities, while Cambridge is for sciences. Is this correct?</p>
<p>Guys, guys, guys.....I think this post has been going on for too long (it took me a hr to read 200 posts!) and its time to conclude.</p>
<p>Topic: Rank the universities of the WORLD</p>
<p>So how are the universities ranked: By quality of undergrad education? sports? athletes? beautiful monument? prestige? Think about it. What are we talking about what: most beautiful or most all rounded or huge endowment or the most no of reserch papers a year??</p>
<p>So when you think about it, you realize that its very diificult to rank uni. Rankers are bound to bias towards certain qualities. So how do we rank them?</p>
<p>For that we need to understand what a Uni is? and whats it goal?
A university is an institution of higher education and research, which grants academic degrees at all levels (bachelor, master, and doctorate) in a variety of subjects. A university provides both tertiary and quaternary education. The word university is derived from the Latin universitas magistrorum et scholarium, roughly meaning "community of masters and scholars".</p>
<p>So there are two primary goals of a uni; to confer degrees and to research. I hope everyone agrees with me till here.</p>
<p>In higher education, college and university rankings are listings of educational institutions in an order determined by any combination of factors. Rankings can be based on subjectively perceived "quality," on some combination of empirical statistics, or on surveys of educators, scholars, students, prospective students, or others. Such rankings are often consulted by prospective students as they choose which schools they will apply to or which school they will attend. </p>
<p>Right? So everybody agrees that rankings are individual, based on variety of factors as the individual feel adequate. So ranking are subjective.</p>
<p>But if everbody agreed to the previous argument, then since the goal of a univerity is to research. We may thus rank the Unis in order of the number of paper each year and the quality of research. Fairly simple, isn't it?</p>
<p>yes it is very simple, but no body wants such ranking. coz not all Unis can produce equal amount research paper or can afford to have billion $$$ in endowment. So each Univ justifies by promoting itself in a unique way.</p>
<p>Oxbridge does it by giving the most specialized undergradute degrees with one-on-one tutorial with world leading scholars. By giving such amazing education in the most inspiring enviroinment, they tend to attract the best who will later be inspired enough to continue research in their Univerity.</p>
<p>To understand what inspiring means, I think everyone here should visit this site: <a href="http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/cambridge-gallery.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/cambridge-gallery.htm</a></p>
<p>similarly, HYPDCB tend to attract the best US students, who are best in the country and will be the future leaders in their field. American Education is for the undecided or those who ar interested in number of subject. Thats the best part of a liberal education.</p>
<p>Different people will have different idea of education. That doesn't make anyone of them wrong or some more right. Some people may think liberal arts education is a waste of time, when you can specialize in your field of interest with master from Oxbridge (or any other UK uni) in 4 years, while the same would take six year (A.M.) in US.</p>
<p>So basically its all a individual perspective.</p>