Ranking For Undergrad With Highest Acceptance Rates To Law School?

College Search & Selection
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<p>^^^ classic definition of a "safety school" it would seem...</p>

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Although the numbers are obviously not as impressive as Stanford's....

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<p>There's only one college that can match S for grade inflation, and that college is on the other coast. :D</p>

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<p>But the_prestige, kwu's ranking was based on absolute per capita figures. #20 Emory has roughly a 1 in 90 per capita representation. I am fairly certain Michigan has a higher per capita representation.</p>

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<p>Here are numbers from Princeton, though it's not clear which year:</p>

<p>Stats</a> « Office of Career Services « Princeton University</p>

<p>Yale 69 10 15%
Harvard 123 34 28%
Stanford 82 17 21%
Columbia 114 39 34%
NYU 98 44 45%
Berkeley 76 13 17%
Chicago 73 26 36%
Penn 95 28 29% 29%
Michigan 65 26 40%
UVA 94 41 44%
Northwestern 48 16 33%
Cornell (not listed for some reason)
Duke 75 29 39%
Georgetown 114 45 39%</p>

<p>I found the Stanford pre-law stats here: <a href="http://www.stanford.edu/group/SPLS/documents/AdmitRatesMay08.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.stanford.edu/group/SPLS/documents/AdmitRatesMay08.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I downloaded the Yale stats a while ago; I have a PDF, but am not sure whether it's still publicly available.</p>

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<p>Nationally, there were 84,021 applicants to ABA-accredited law schools last year, and 48,021 first year students.</p>

<p><a href="http://lsac.org/pdfs/2008-2009/LegalEducationStatistics.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://lsac.org/pdfs/2008-2009/LegalEducationStatistics.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>UCB, you did that on purpose... 8^)</p>

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<p>Alex, i really can't speak on behalf of kwu's post, as i mentioned earlier some of the numbers are different than what i had posted earlier.</p>

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<p>Applicants from Cornell (see last page of this PDF):
<a href="http://www.career.cornell.edu/downloads/Law/PrelawGuide_2008kg.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.career.cornell.edu/downloads/Law/PrelawGuide_2008kg.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>This one only lists schools to which more than 50 people applied (which didn't include Yale, Stanford, or Northwestern).</p>

<p>Harvard 138 14 10%
Columbia 186 31 17%
NYU 185 40 22%
Berkeley 125 18 14%
Penn 152 31 20%
Chicago 98 23 23%
Michigan 133 28 21%
UVA 128 32 25%
Duke 147 50 34%
Cornell 229 70 32%
Georgetown 245 66 27%</p>

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<p>Gerybeard, I suspect that outside of HYPS, most top universities will have similar matriculation stats to N14 schools. I already notice that Cornell and Michigan have nearly identical figures. I suspect that Cal, Chicago, Northwestern, Penn etc... have similar stats too. I am curious to see how students at schools like Emory, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt and Washington University do.</p>

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<p>Here's the info for Cal: Career</a> Center - Profile of Law School Admissions - UC Berkeley</p>

<p>Yale 16 2 13%
Harvard 46 7 15%
Stanford 34 2 6%
Columbia 48 17 35%
NYU 19 0 0%
Berkeley 87 17 20%
Chicago 35 13 37%
Penn 26 5 19%
Michigan 28 9 32%
UVA 23 3 13%
Northwestern 19 0 0%
Cornell 22 4 18%
Duke 26 11 42%
Georgetown 56 24 43%</p>

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<p>Alexandre,</p>

<p>I'm curious too, but have searched unsuccessfully for similar info on Emory, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, and Wash U.</p>

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<p>Interesting data, but there's still some art involved in using it as an applicant to college.</p>

<p>For example, 39 applicants from Princeton were accepted to Columbia's law school; attending Princeton arguably didn't hurt those students much. But maybe applicants #40- 90 from Princeton, who Columbia rejected, would have been the very top students if they'd attended a school with a somewhat less capable student body. Applying from one of those schools, perhaps a decent number of those individuals would been admitted to Columbia Law School.</p>

<p>In which case, for many, Princeton could be in reality among the worst places to attend college to get into a great law shool, due to the competition there among equally-outstanding students, rather than one of the the best.</p>

<p>Just taking Princeton randomly, not specifically.</p>

<p>I guess what might be interesting is finding things from the other direction; schools which gain greater acceptance %s than would be predicted given the capabilities of their incoming freshman class.</p>

<p>Also it's too bad this data is not broken out by college, for multi-college universities where students from more than one college typically apply.</p>

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<p>Alexandre, here are the two lists that the_prestige posted in 2006.
Since these are per capita numbers, I really didn't see the purpose in separating the two types of schools. I'm also biased, and found it pleasing that AWS would be in the top ten.</p>

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<p>Alexandre,</p>

<p>One factor might be U-M's own law school. For resident seniors, they have a very elite option right here at a somewhat-cheaper instate price.</p>

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<p>kwu, there are currently 23 Michigan student at HLS. Maybe I misunderstood the ranking, but if I got it right, Michigan's per capita ratio at HLS is roughly 70. Doesn't that place it in the top 20?</p>

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<p>I know Hoedown. That would probably explain why the yield rates for Michigan students admitted into top Law schools like Columbia, Duke, NYU etc... is so low. But Michigan's per capita ratio at HLS is still among the top 20. 14 Wolverines matriculated into HLS last year alone.</p>

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<p>monyDad -- I agree with your post. <strong>IF</strong> elite graduate law, medicine, dentistry, business schools are the end goal, then the rule ought to be to attend the best college or university in which the student can show as top 20% or so in gpa (meaning 3.5 public flagship and 3.7 private).</p>

<p>If the goal is a great education, my above comments do not apply and in fact are silly.</p>

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<p>Just thinking out loud here....</p>

<p>Has there ever been a study of identical twins, one entering HYPS or equivalent, and the other a public flagship or other private top 30 (e.g. Vandy or Georgetown), both with the goal of attening an elite law school?</p>

<p>Assuming they are of equal intelligence and drive, and that the HYPS twin graduated in the 30th%, that the other twin would graduate top 15% at the Top 30. They would then both score about the same on the LSAT.</p>

<p>Which would do better in law school admissions -- the top 30% from HYPS, or the top 15% from the Top 30?</p>

<p>My prediction: the would fare identically :)</p>

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<p>kwu... couldn't help but notice that UCLA is 20th, and the USNWR ranking is 25. It looks like there is a fairly close relationship b/w those data and the general ranking of a school, with the notable exceptions of Brandeis (in particular), Georgetown and Rice seeming to outperform their general ranking.</p>

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<p>I am not the creator of these data, and their reliability has been rightfully questioned, so I'm hesitant about drawing very specific conclusions from them.</p>

<p>But, Georgetown and Rice are both excellent and underrated schools, yes. Brandeis too.</p>