<p>The following is a list of undergrad institutions represented by students enrolled in the JD Programs at Yale and UVA since we already have the HLS numbers. Someone can do the math if they have time on a per capita basis. </p>
<p>Yale Law School
2005-2006 # of Students Undergraduate Enrollment
Harvard 89 6,715
Yale 86 5,303
Stanford 42 6,391
Princeton 34 4,775
Columbia 18 5,593
Brown 17 5,798
Cal-Berkeley 16 23,863
Duke 13 6,259
Dartmouth 13 4,005
Williams College 12 1,965
U of Virginia 10 13,440
Amherst 9 1,648</p>
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<p>U of Virginia Law School
Class of 2007 Profile # of Students Undergraduate Enrollment
U of Virginia 48 13,440
Duke 19 6,259
Princeton 13 4,775
William & Mary 10 5,651
Cornell 10 13,523
UNC 10 16,706
Georgetown 9 6,587
Penn 9 9,730
Emory 8 6,546
Dartmouth 7 4,005</p>
<p>Yale Law School
2005-2006 # of Students Undergraduate Enrollment
1. Yale 86 5,303 16.22 61.66
2. Harvard 89 6,715 75.45
3. Princeton 34 4,775 140.44
4. Stanford 42 6,391 152.17
5. Williams 12 1,965 163.75
6. Amherst 9 1,648 183.11
7. Dartmouth 13 4,005 308.08
8. Columbia 18 5,593 310.72
9. Brown 17 5,798 341.06
10. Duke 13 6,259 481.46
11. U of Virginia 10 13,440 1344
12. Cal-Berkeley 16 23,863 1491.44</p>
<p>U of Virginia Law School
Class of 2007 Profile # of Students Undergraduate Enrollment
1. U of Virginia 48 13,440 280
2. Duke 19 6,259 329.42
3. Princeton 13 4,775 367.31
4. William & Mary 10 5,651 565.1
5. Dartmouth 7 4,005 572.14
6. Georgetown 9 6,587 731.89
7. Emory 8 6,546 818.25
8. Penn 9 9,730 1041.11
9. Cornell 10 13,523 1352.3
10. UNC 10 16,706 1670.6</p>
<p>I think the data Greybeard and I presented are more telling than the per/capita data presented by other posters. Per/capita data speaks nothing of placement rates and it does not take into account student body interest.</p>
Probably not very useful, since the numbers fluctuate on a yearly basis,
but this should give you some general idea of undergraduate representation at a top law school.
Two lists were compiled by the_prestige. I combined them and cut it off at 20.</p>
<p>Harvard Law School Per Capita Numbers, Top 20 (2006):</p>
<p>Rank Name Ratio
1 Harvard University 6.80
2 Yale University 11.69
3 Stanford University 20.67
4 Amherst College 22.68
5 Princeton University 22.76
6 Swarthmore College 28.90
7 Brown University 29.98
8 Dartmouth College 30.69
9 Williams College 31.47
10 Columbia University 36.07
11 Rice University 40.11
12 Duke University 42.05
13 Pomona College 42.56
14 University of Pennsylvania 44.77
15 Georgetown University 48.47
16 Brandeis University 67.18
17 Cornell University 69.07
18 Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 71.14
19 University of California-Berkeley 85.44
20 Emory University 89.93
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<p>This ranking, whichever this was based on, is flawed and does not make any sense.</p>
<p>Not everyone at those schools would want to go to law schools. and for those who do, not all of them would want to be at Harvard Law School. A number of students would want to go to med school. some would want to work right away. so, to make the ranking sensible (and perhaps telling), the admitted students should be factored in against the number of students who applied for every school. to base it on the total number of the whole student body of the school is just unacceptable not to mention quite deceiving.</p>
<p>I think it is more telling to see how many students successfully apply to a specific law school. Looking at raw numbers is meaningless since it does not take into consideration many variables. </p>
<p>Here's how applicants from the following universities faired when they applied to Harvard University Law School last year:</p>
<p>YALE UNIVERSITY APPLICANTS TO HLS:
Applied: 216
Admitted: 65
Percentage accepted: 30%</p>
<p>PRINCETON UNIVERSITY APPLICANTS TO HLS:
Applied: 123
Admitted: 34
Percentage accepted: 28%</p>
<p>STANFORD UNIVERSITY APPLICANTS TO HLS:
Applied: 155
Admitted: 38
Percentage accepted: 25%</p>
<p>UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN-ANN ARBOR APPLICANTS TO HLS:
Applied: 106
Admitted: 17
Percentage accepted: 16%</p>
<p>UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-BERKELEY APPLICANTS TO HLS:
Applied: 46
Admitted: 7
Percentage accepted: 15%</p>
<p>CORNELL UNIVERSITY APPLICANTS TO HLS:
Applied: 138
Admitted: 14
Percentage accepted: 10%</p>
<p>If people have statistics on other schools' admissions into Harvard, please share them with us.</p>
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<p>Certainly for someone trying to make a case for Cal, it doesn't make sense, because it doesn't show Cal in a very competitive light does it. But simple fact is those numbers are directly from Harvard Business School and can not be disputed. I didn't make them up. Sorry.</p>
<p>Alex, interesting analysis above, do you have the numbers for Brown and Dartmouth?</p>
<p>No, I do not have stats for Brown or Dartmouth. I would expect them to have similar placement rates to Cal and Michigan, but I was hoping people could post stats for various schools.</p>
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Certainly for someone trying to make a case for Cal, it doesn't make sense, because it doesn't show Cal in a very competitive light does it. But simple fact is those numbers are directly from Harvard Business School and can not be disputed. I didn't make them up. Sorry.
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<p>What were you thinking? LoL... I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but your response did really amuse me. </p>
<p>About a third (or maybe close to half) of Cal's student body are in the colleges of engineering, chemistry, computer science and all sorts of physical science courses. Do you expect these students to go for Harvard Law School? LoL...
Do you even realize that Cal Eng'g, comsci, chem, etc grads are encouraged to pursue programs related to their undergrad profession? What do you think are the odds of a Cal EECS grad going for HLS? Do you even know that Bio majors --not just at Cal but in every school around the world-- would rather be at medical schools than at law schools?</p>
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<p>Still. Half the people at Cal don't want to be a lawyer. How is that hard to understand? Now, is Cal not competitive enough just because many students/grads that go/went there don't want to end up at law schools, particularly at HBS? Come on...</p>
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This is the kind of ranking that any sane, educated person would take it as something sensible.
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<p>RML as the self appointed judge on "sane, educated" people. <em>amused</em> </p>
<p>p.s. I find it very hard to believe that only 46 people from Cal applied to HLS last year -- even at first glance that number stands out as an outlier. Doesn't matter if that comes from a Cal website, those numbers can easily miss out people who actually ended up applying. The only hard numbers which are verifiable are those who actually ENROLLED (why? there is no motive to "fudge" -- from the HLS perspective, you are just profiling your class without any underlying motive to be prejudiced one way or another). On the other hand, there is every motive to "fudge" numbers from the other side... At any rate, the per capita ranking is still better.</p>
<p>the_prestige, you did not answer not even one of my many questions. Now, I'll repeat one question: How would you expect those people who majored computer science --at any school -- to aim for HLS? If you can prove it to me that those students would rather attend law studies than work or pursue their field, I would bow down on you. promise. lol...</p>
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p.s. I find it very hard to believe that only 46 people from Cal applied to HLS last year -- even at first glance that number stands out as an outlier...
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I guess you presumed too much. Not all HLS applicants from Cal have amazing stats. In fact, some applicants' LSAT scores to HLS from Cal are below 164.</p>
<p>I know you would Slipper. But do you have evidence? And not jut into HLS, but also into other N14 Law schools. I am not saying Dartmouth and Brown do not have "much higher" acceptance rates into HLS than Cal and Michigan. But if they do, then I assume Dartmouth and Brown have higher acceptance rates into HLS than Stanford too. Are you tready to lay such a claim? Much higher than Michigan's 16% would mean better than 25% right? I don't think you would allude to 20% or 22% as being "much higher" than 16% afterall. And if Brown and Dartmouth do indeed have acceptance rates into HLS upwards o 25%, that would put them in the same league as Princeton and Yale. That isn't impossible, but I personally would expect their acceptance rates too be closer to Michigan's, Cal's or Cornell's than to Princeton's or Yale's.</p>
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I would expect Brown and Dartmouth's stats in terms of acceptance to HLS to be significantly higher than Cal and Michigan.
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<p>As would Stanford. Grade inflation works wonders when applying to professional schools. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Moreover, in the case of Cal (or other UCs)...a third of the class being poor (Pell grantees), the chances of them even thinking about a private law school, much less 3,000 miles away, is pretty slim.</p>
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This ranking, whichever this was based on, is flawed and does not make any sense.</p>
<p>Not everyone at those schools would want to go to law schools. and for those who do, not all of them would want to be at Harvard Law School.
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<p>What about looking at the lists for Harvard, Yale, and Stanford together and making general conclusions about undergraduate strength based on the per capita numbers at those institutions? The strongest undergraduate institutions will have the highest representations at the best of the best law schools. My reasoning, anyway.</p>
<p>These are law rankings, and of course technical schools won't be well-represented.</p>
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Moreover, in the case of Cal (or other UCs)...a third of the class being poor (Pell grantees), the chances of them even thinking about a private law school, much less 3,000 miles away, is pretty slim.
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<p>The financial assistance programs at HYS still wouldn't make the burden of eventually paying for law school far less severe?</p>