<p>Nope, Minnesota is just about in the right spot. If anything, Minnesota may be below Michigan State. It's definitely not above OSU or PSU.</p>
<p>My rankings for B10:
1. Northwestern
2. Michigan
3. Wisconsin
4. Penn State
5. Illinois
6. Ohio State
7. Iowa
8. Michigan State
9. Minnesota
9. Indiana
11. Purdue</p>
<p>All of the big ten schools are good colleges and you could make a strong case for any the bottom five being higher, especially in certain programs. For example, in political science (which is what I've been looking into) I would rank them as such:
1. Michigan
2. Wisconsin-Madison
3. Ohio State
4. Northwestern
5. Michigan State
6. Minnesota
7. Illinois
8. Indiana
9. Iowa
10. Penn State
11. Purdue</p>
<p>SEC
1. Vanderbilt
2. Florida
3. Georgia
4. South Carolina
5. Tennessee
6. Auburn
7. Alabama
8. Louisiana State
9. Kentucky
10. Arkansas
11. Mississippi</p>
<p>jec, apparently you didn't read what I said:</p>
<p>"Alright, so I'm taking a new approach and ranking schools based not on reputation but quality of undergraduate education, are teachers good and accessible? are there small classes? are there too many TA's?</p>
<p>Some may think this is heresy but here goes:</p>
<p>**Only schools that I am familiar are ranked, some of the smaller schools in the smaller conferences, I cannot tell you anything about them haha.
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<p>DePaul, Providence, Marquette, Seton Hall, and South Florida above UConn?!.... you're an idiot.</p>
<p>No way that Clemson and Miami should be above UNC...also, Syracuse is very underranked on your Big East list.</p>
<p>No, we all got it. The reputations are there for a reason and are based on the qualities you are talking about. How did you judge if the teachers were any good at a particular school? You must have also found some way to measure teacher accessibility at dozens of different schools. My list is a combination of looking at many different ranking and trying to determine the normal order in the conferences. Anyway, your rankings are a joke and look like you threw a dart at a wall full of names when you came up with your lists. Don't worry, though, we did read what you said you were attempting to do.</p>
<p>SEC (SAT Median, Fall 2008 Class)
1. Vanderbilt- (1375)
2. Florida- (1250)
3. Georgia- (1225)
4. South Carolina (1180)
5. Louisiana State (1180)
6. Tennessee (1160)
7. Auburn (1130)
8. Arkansas (1145)
9. Kentucky (1125)
10. Alabama (1110)
11. Mississippi (1055)</p>
<p>hmm well apparently we both have different viewpoints on selecting a college.....I've just found my perfect fit and so the rankings are based on what I think is important to me</p>
<p>and anyways rankings are not based on those criterias, do you seriously think that you can get a better engineering education in a 500 person class at Michigan where TA's teach many classes rather than a school like Harvey Mudd where class sizes max out at 30 and teachers are very accessible (and there are no TA's)?</p>
<p>I'm not a spokeseman for class sizes, but I'd like to know what classes in engineering at Michigan have 500 students in them? I would also rather doubt that a class that size would have a TA for a lecturer. For that matter, what classes at Michigan in any school or college have 500 students in them? Furthermore, does it really matter if a class has 200 or 500 students in it in the first place? They are all too large to have intimate discussions.</p>
<p>I'd be interested in this as well, if I'm wrong, I'd like to know</p>
<p>but from what I've heard class sizes are big and lots of classes are taught by GSI's</p>
<p>
Nice straw man. First off, Harvey Mudd and Michigan are ranked in two different categories, as they should be. Comparing the two also doesn't change the fact that putting colleges like Clemson above UNC and Maryland is laughable.</p>
<p>To address the question of class sizes at Michigan, the course sizes are as follows:</p>
<p>2-9: 12%
10-19: 32.4%
20-29: 25.6%
30-39: 8.2%
40-49: 3.8%
50-99: 10.7%
100+: 7.3%</p>
<p>70% of the courses offered at Michigan have fewer than 30 students, and 45% have fewer than 20. I can almost guarantee you that the larger courses are introductory courses with smaller discussion sections.</p>
<p>Here are Clemson's class sizes stats: Counts</a> of Undergrad Sections according to class size for 2008</p>
<p>I've been in several big classes, and have never had a class taught by a TA or grad student. Often big classes have separate discussion sections that are led by a grad student, but its always professors doing the real instructing.</p>
<p>Also, one of the best classes I have had thus far had 300 people in it. The prof was great, and he made it very easy to get involved if you wanted to.</p>
<p>At big schools though the huge classes are typically only for the first couple of semesters; once you get further along in your major the class sizes shrink significantly.</p>
<p>
Let's compare.</p>
<p>UNC Clemson
2-9: 9.4% 16.4%
10-19: 34.2% 32.8%
20-29: 26.1% 14.9%
30-39: 12.1% 16.9%
40-49: 6.3% 7.5%
50-99: 6.4% 8.5%
100+: 5.5% 3%</p>
<p>< 30 students: 70% 64.1%</p>
<p>Once again...your list doesn't make sense.</p>
<p>pierre, can I have some of whatever you are smoking ;)</p>
<p>In your rankings of quality of education, you have, in the big 12, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Colorado ahead of Texas? When of all of those schools, Texas is the only Top Tier school in the list. You have Baylor as #1, I guess because of class sizes, whatever! A&M and Texas are closest in "quality education" but they are down buried in your list.</p>
<p>Then in the SEC, you've got Florida somewhere in the middle behind ARKANSAS???? </p>
<p>Like I said, you must be high.</p>
<p>Who would rank Iowa ahead of Minnesota?</p>
<p>"Who would rank Iowa ahead of Minnesota?"</p>
<p>I did. It's not like they are that much different in ranking. Minnesota- #61 Iowa- #66. </p>
<p>National</a> Universities Rankings - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report</p>
<p>There's doesn't seem to really be that much of a difference in academics between the two.</p>
<p>
[quote]
SEC
1. Vanderbilt
2. Florida
3. Georgia
4. South Carolina
5. Tennessee
6. Auburn
7. Alabama
8. Louisiana State
9. Kentucky
10. Arkansas
11. Mississippi
[/quote]
Mississippi State didn't qualify?</p>
<p>"Mississippi State didn't qualify?"</p>
<p>No because their football team sucks LOL</p>
<p>Mississippi State - a whopping 1120 SAT</p>