<p>suck it up and take k-201 and m-118 at Indiana… if you put in the work you will do fine you lazy f**k</p>
<p>Well that’s awesome, but last time I checked, I only get 1 shot at this…
I rather try everything I can to make that shot. Thanks for your opinion though.</p>
<p>rof_lmao,</p>
<p>Try not to let 1ee304’s comments get you down. Nothing wrong with trying to “game” the system a bit to guarantee admission to Kelley. Trust me, the colleges play their own games when it comes to admittance to professional schools–including admitting people to law school based solely on the GPA and LSAT scores and not on the difficulty of the classes taken or the schools attended–so it seems only fair to do what one has to “within ethical bounds” to achieve one’s goals when it comes to Indiana’s business school.</p>
<p>P.S. My own son is taking three very tough courses this semester–and so is also taking two “easier” courses–including one of the ones you are in (MUS Z101), so that he can attempt to “rebuild” his GPA (currently a 3.3 or so, but down from 3.6) prior to graduation. One never knows where one might want to apply for a masters or other professional degree.</p>
<p>Thank you for your input Calcruzer! I have learned over the years that life rarely gives you opportunities to beat the odds (or win the game so to speak), and so you gotta seize it when the opportunity presents itself! :D</p>
<p>Back on Topic:
I just called Ivytech, and it looks like I will be able to schedule a class with them concurrent to my IU studies.
Now all I have to do is figure out how I can apply to kelly in the fall while still taking this course at Ivy.</p>
<p>Either this is the greatest plan ever, or its gonna crash and burn on me :D</p>
<p>rof_lmao, if you are taking CIS 101 at Ivy Tech to transfer in place of K201, then expect X202 (Technology) at Kelley to be very difficult when you take it prior to ICore. </p>
<p>X202 is heavy on Excel, as is K201. You will get some Excel in CIS 101, but it will probably not be nearly as intensive at Ivy Tech and you certainly won’t have the grounding in using Excel as a business tool that you would have got in K201 at Kelley and will be expected to expand upon in X202.</p>
<p>Here are links to some of the Excel skills taught at Kelley.
[Office</a> 2007 in Business](<a href=“http://podcast.uits.iu.edu/Portal/PodcastPage.aspx?podid=ebc46a1b-f8b3-410e-b83a-8587a651cf6d]Office”>http://podcast.uits.iu.edu/Portal/PodcastPage.aspx?podid=ebc46a1b-f8b3-410e-b83a-8587a651cf6d)
[Internet</a> Archive: Details: K201 Spring 2006 Excel Review Session - Indiana Univeristy](<a href=“http://www.archive.org/details/Spring_2006_Review_Session_K201_Excel]Internet”>K201 Spring 2006 Excel Review Session - Indiana Univeristy : K201 Peer Tutors : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive)</p>
<p>I don’t see any problems with taking stuff like finite, calculus, micro- and macroeconomics, business law, English composition, financial and managerial accounting (unless you are an accounting major) and speech at Ivy Tech or some other cc and transferring them to IU, as you really don’t have to be an expert on any of these topics coming out of the intro level courses. But K201 at IU is way better than CIS 101 at Ivy Tech in preparing you for X202.</p>
<p>I somewhat agree with 1ee304. If you are trying to look for a “back alley” to get through the majority of your education, you will be unprepared to meet some of the challenges you encounter in the real world.</p>
<p>However, with the general sense of paranoia that I had about Kelley admissions this year, I can understand your desire to do well. In all honesty, the only course that I took this year that was hard to manage was A100 - K201 and M118 were straightforward courses, especially if you have a mathematical mind and you are fluent in the language of computing. One of the problems with these courses is that people depend too much on other people to teach them the material and they never fully learn it themselves. Part of the reason that the section GPAs for K201 and M118 (and freshman level courses in general) are so low is because you have incoming freshman who have difficulty adapting to the workload of college - the fact that rof_lmao is showing interest in doing well at college already indicates the he will have some level of success at IU. I honestly don’t think you need to resort to taking K201 or M118 at a different college than IUB - you mentioned that you took an Access/Excel course before, and if you did well in this, I’d say there’s a 99% chance you’ll do well in K201. M118 isn’t horribly tricky either because you can always consult the Finite Show (a recording of a professor working sample M118 problems) or ask the professor questions via a chatroom/e-mail.</p>
<p>I hope that this has given you a more realistic perspective on college life at IU.</p>
<p>How is it a “back alley” when the material is the exact same, instead you are avoiding the professors and policy of the school that is trying to “weed out” the students? Where would you rather take classes, where there are 300+ people in a lecture hall, or with 20 other students and a professor who actually cares about you?</p>
<p>The grade distributions are public, the school approves the transfer of courses. Nothing ever suggested is bending rules, it’s allowed by Kelley as stated in their bulletin. It has nothing to do with someone being “lazy”, when you look for a job do you look for the one with tons of meaningless work or the one that suits your interests if they both pay the same?</p>
<p>You aren’t paying tens of thousands of dollars to have to teach the material to yourself. The fault here lies within the school if current students are suggesting that a community college does a better job of educating the students than the university. I’ve taken K201, I’ve taken M118, I’ve taken A100, and those are classes where the professors just aren’t doing their job. It’s bureaucracy at it’s finest.</p>
<p>look aswolves6… at the end of the day whether the class consists of 300 people or 20 peopel… the kid isnt gonna start studying because of the class size… this is also true if the teachers care about you or not… like 50 cent said a square is a square and a circle is a circle and a lazy f*<em>k is a lazy F8</em>k</p>
<p>a2wolves6… i took m118 and a-100 last semester.. and both tiller and whelan did their jobs.. the student have to go the extra step if they wanna get a good grade… dont blame it on the teacher.. if you do everything that they give you and just go alittle extra step you do fine.</p>
<p>Bthomp1:</p>
<p>I have taken most of those classes : A Financial and Managerial accounting class(harder than either one separately taught with a 30% pass rate, or along those lines so I heard), English Comp (Aced it), Business law(the prof loved me), Calculus (B-, but it wasn’t my thing), Statistics (A), Business Ethics, as well as micro and Macro are all under my belt. </p>
<p>I am not afraid of classes I take after I already get into Kelly. I am just worried that I should transfer to Indiana from PSU( Which has already placed me in the business program) and not get into Kelly, get stuck in some other major and find that I have wasted any advantage I had previously acquired (as well as wasting all my time doing business courses for a degree that isn’t in business, spending a large sum of money in school to not even get a degree I want, and losing the possibility of a degree that was practically assured to me at Smeal.) The fact that I needed a 3.3 at psu or higher just to get into finance (after the fact of getting into the Smeal school to begin with) is proof enough that I have not been lazy and achieved something that many students didn’t.</p>
<p>So instead of jumping through yet another flaming hoop, I would rather take the path less traveled, and with a lot less difficulty.</p>
<p>I agree with rof Imao and A2Wolves2 on the approach to be taken, but bthomp1 does make a very valid point on how good the K201 class is on teaching students Excel–and preparing them for the X201 class on Technology. The Excel knowledge my son got from that K201 class (in which he didn’t even get a great grade) has been a real key at his internship this summer–and has put him way ahead of his peers in terms of impressing people on the job. So, yes A100, A201, and A202 (all the accounting courses) and maybe even E201 (microecon) could and maybe should be taken away from Indiana, but taking K201 and the math courses at Indiana really should be considered.</p>
<p>You know what, just in case, even after I get credit I will take the class for a side thing as long as i get into Kelly first. Thats my main priority (Interns are better off being in Kelly then knowing excel that’s for sure!).</p>
<p>calcruzer.. your son must be a realy smart kid… I got an excellent grade on k-201 in my fall semester last year and I dont remeber most of the formulas and etc.. currently in my internship.. how did he remeber all that stuff? does he look back or does he just have a good memorY?</p>