Rejection Letter Arrived

Colleges and Universities A-Z Naval Academy - Annapolis
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<p>Thin letter came today, with no NAPS/Foundation offer. I'm not even sure why I even applied, because I always knew I wouldn't make it; USNA wants sports, and that was something my file didn't offer, giving me almost a 0% chance. Oh well, I have a full scholarship to Norwich for plan B, though (not NROTC though, rejected from that too).</p>

<p>I'm still deciding as to whether I want to apply for USNA next year. I guess I'm a little bitter, and I don't know whether I want to spend another year as a plebe when I could get a direct commission to the school I'll be going to. If it was really so horrible, I wish they would have sent the rejection letter back when I finished the application in October, rather than doing DoDMERB, applying for nominations, and checking my status almost every day. And to do it all again next year and get rejected again seems like it would be impossible to handle.</p>

<p>Some say the waiting is the best part. Well, maybe for those who get in. But at least for me, it's a slap in the face, especially after hoping beyond hope that I could be apart of the c/o 2012. I suppose a lot of my anger comes from the fact that 70% of the students at Norwich say the despise the place/all of the "great" naval officers seem to come from USNA.</p>

<p>Anyways, that's my self-pitying rant. A big thanks to all on this forum who have helped answer my questions during the LONG application process. Congrats to all who were appointed, and maybe I'll be there for 2013...</p>

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<p>sorry to read that Simayan. if you want to try USNA again for 2013, it seems like you found your weakness. i bet if you do a sport at norwich, and take your SATs over again, you will be competitive. i'm considering doing a 2013 application too.</p>

<p>did you get accepted to any colleges besides Norwich? i ask because i've been accepted to norwich too, and i'd like to hear what is particularly good about norwich. (currently, i'm heavily leaning towards virginia military institute, where i also was accepted).</p>

<p>how did you get your scholarship? i know that kids that bring a 4yr nrotc scholarship get free room and board, but you said you missed on that. what did you have to do to get a scholarship from norwich?</p>

<p>also, you can't listen to the 70% thing. that stuff is just garbage. 1st of all, i can't believe norwich students would talk down their school like that. it makes me not want to go there. secondly, it is BS. norwich started its nrotc program in 1984 (Norwich</a> University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) it would have graduated its first class in 1988. let me ask these norwich kids which talk about this 70%: HOW MANY <em>GREAT</em> US NAVAL OFFICERS HAVE THEIR BEEN THAT RECEIVED COMMISSIONS SINCE 1988??? naval officers commissioning in 1988 are just hitting their 20-years now. there aren't going to be so many GREAT ones regardless of what school that they come from.</p>

<p>you see, i bet any vmi cadet could answer that question better than these norwich guys. vmi would probably say that it has graduated more general and flag officers (265) than any college except for the federal service academies. i'd call that school pride. it seems like norwich's corps of cadets SERIOUSLY lacks school pride. :(</p>

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<p>Just to let you know, NAPS/Foundation offers are completely separate from USNA Acceptance/Rejection Letters. I had an offer to NAPS but I still don't have a Rejection Letter. But don't beat down on yourself, get up and try again next year.</p>

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<p>simayan-
sorry to hear the news-
but glad to hear you have a very viable "plan B" to look forward to!</p>

<p>As for usna...
give yourself a few days to be ****ed, then a day or so to be sad, then go outside and put your Norwich sticker on your car!!! </p>

<p>Finish senior year, get ready for Norwich, and see how things go.
No need to make any decisions today, or even tomorrow for that matter.
Maybe in a month or two things will look different. Maybe not. </p>

<p>then think about it.
maybe think about taking up that sport.</p>

<p>If you are happy at Norwich, great!!!
If not, think about tossing your hat into the arena again.<br>
You never know.</p>

<p>Best of luck to you!!!!
Don't regret having gone through this, even if the outcome may not have been what you hoped for..... many don't even try!!</p>

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<p>Thanks, everyone. I'm a lot less ****y than I was a few days ago. </p>

<p>I've decided that I'll reapply next year, but at least I'll be busy enough that I won't have time to wait with bated breath. If I can succeed at Norwich, than that should show admissions that I can handle a military lifestyle.</p>

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<p>Glad to hear you're getting back on the horse. If this is one of your greatest disappointments, you're going to have a great life, because you are a great creation, working at answering the bell. </p>

<p>You've seen Swindoll's observation that I find to be more convicting as each day passes ... attitude is if not everything, most of life. It's not what happens to us, it's how we deal with that which does.</p>

<p>You've done yourself and your family proud. Good luck, congrats on your great successes thus far, and keep up the great work! I'm confident you'll skin this cat, one way or t'other. ;)</p>

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<p>Simayan,</p>

<p>First, I am sorry your wishes didn't come true for this year.
Second, that doesn't mean your dreams will not come true. Remember if you want to be a naval officer for a career, the further away in your career, the less the commissioning source means. The SA's will always give a foot up to graduates, but it is how you perform as an officer after graduation that will determine your promotion path. Not everyone in any branch are SA grads. When we went to a sister school for PME, I would say only 25-50% were acad grads, thus the others were commissioned from other sources and still has/had an excellent career. (For in res. school, you need to be the top of your yr. group, going to a sister school, they take the top 5-10%, thus they are the top of the top, @ 100 per yr)</p>

<p>In the end, not everyone will make the SA, but if their dream is to serve they will find the way. They are no less qualified to serve than the others. It is you as a core person that will shine.</p>

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<p>Actually, just the opposite is true. The longer one stays active duty and is promoted, the greater the odds that the person which they are saluting is an Academy grad. All the way to the top. There has only been one CNO who was not an Academy grad. And his command was soiled by wearing improper medals.</p>

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<p>USNA69,
I believe you are a great BGO, but please explain to me why the officers who were selected for CGSC (ARMY), only had 25-50% acad grads in 01-02?
BTW Bullet, an ROTC commission was selected. Why one of our squdaron commanders at our FIGHTER BASE (pilot, I know how you feel about WSO/RIO was selected, also ROTC)was selected for NWC. The other was an acad grad. Also how the thunderbirds, equivalent to the blue angels have OMG...ROTC grads! </p>

<p>Also please explain to me how the flyer is selected for upgrades. It has nothing to do at all with their commissioning, everything to do with how they perform hitting their targets. Again as you become more experienced in the jet, it has nothing to do with your degree, everything on handle the stick...I am pretty sure you as a flyer understand that notion. Flyers go up against a different board, than JAGS, MED., and NON. Their OPRS are based upon their flying ability, so are the promotions. Flyers, regardless of their commissioning source are reviewed on their flying abilities. SWITCHING AIRFRAMES ARE ALSO DETERMINED BY THIS METHOD I maybe wrong, USNA69 can correct me</p>

<p>I (Pima) am here to help Simayan understand his dream did not die, That if he wants to wear the uniform it is not over. That he can still have a great career. Simayan, not everyone will become a flag officer, regardless of their commissioning source. It is truly about what you do, during your career. </p>

<p>At your age all you need to know is that you want to serve. Don't worry about what rank you will be when you retire/seperate from the service. Your life will take many twists and turns. Keep your eye on the ball...commissioning...nothing else matters.</p>

<p>Simayan,
I am sorry about this. You can still get everyone of of your hopes and dreams, whether you have a commission form USNA or anywhere else. Nothing can stop you, except yourself. Keep fighting for your dream, the Navy is very fortunate to have you, America is too!</p>

<p>You should be very proud of how far you made it. Reality is there will be many who didn't get the chance to even make it as far as you(think of thos who never got a nom). Every candidate that has applied for any SA, deserves a standing ovation. They put their heart and soul into the process. </p>

<p>Please forgive this fight, I just want you to know even a commission from another source is great! Just as a side note, the chances of becoming an admiral is not an easy feat! ISN'T THAT RIGHT USNA69?</p>

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<p>My daughter got her thin letter this week also. Unfortunately it is her second. She was even more upset this year than last, and we're not sure what she's going to do. We all decided she would let it sink in until after spring break, next week, and then discuss her alternatives.</p>

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<p>This is not quite right. At least on both of my daughters letters it said she was no longer being considered for an appointment or for a position at Naps/Foundation. I paraphrase because I don't have the letter in front of me.</p>

<p>She did call the Academy and got some feedback. She did understand some of the problems with her application but wasn't happy with all of of the conversation. I won't go into it too much here, but she was told what she did this year to try to get an appointment wasn't correct. Unfortunately, she made some of her decisions based on admissions advice last year.</p>

<p>Kind of infuriating, but such is life.</p>

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<p>Cougar, </p>

<p>As I just stated take pride, she made it to this level, it speaks enormous amounts about her as a whole person. Life does not and will not end here. If she wants to continue the path, she now knows what to correct, if not she will still be the tops of the tops. Good luck to her and your family!</p>

<p>I hope you will stay on the CC to help next yrs candidates using your wisdom.</p>

<p>Cold Stone Ice Cream always helps for us girls :)</p>

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This is a Navy thead discussing Navy issues. You are attempting to interject Army and AF. I would think that someone who has been around as long as you would understand that there is a difference.</p>

<p>Simayan is sitting on the fence as to whether to reapply to USNA next year or not. It would be a pity if he decided not to reapply based on your totally incorrect advice, would it not. The increased percentages are not just for Admiral but are notable commencing at O-4, if I am not mistaken. With each succeessive rank, the percentage of Academy grads increases. My comment about CNO, if you read my post, is that at the very top it is virtually all Academy grads.</p>

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<p>You have absolutely no clue how I feel about WSO/RIOs, only about those who falsely, and in violation of federal law, pretend to be pilots.</p>

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<p>And his command was soiled by wearing improper medals.</p>

<p>Was that really necessary? Or was it because he was a former white hat?</p>

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<p>Probably not. Nothing at all with being a white hat. It's just that he did not do the airdales any favors and, following the submarine gestapo, we hoped for better. Admiral Johnson did get us back on even keel though. Truth be known, I was kinda glad he came along when he did.</p>

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<p>Subvet,</p>

<p>Sorry you had to find out about the thin letter here. I planned on calling you tonight.</p>

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<p>USNA69, you almost got it right.. But you forgot about this guy.</p>

<p>Admiral Vernon E. Clark</p>

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<p>You know, I had this nagging feeling I should have checked my facts. Oh well, he was way after my time.</p>

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<p>Analysis</a> of the Survival Patterns of United States Naval Officers</p>

<p>:cool:</p>

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<p>Anyways, back to Simayan's post, sorry to hear it. I was in the same position last year as a high school senior. I reapplied my freshmen year at college during the fall semester. Since my test scores were not absolutely terrific, I got NAPS, COMING FROM COLLEGE! So it is possible, PM me if you have questions for NAPS.</p>

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<p>I guess the thread has been jacked some, but discussions of what to do next do include alternative commisioning sources and there pros and cons. Hopefully Simayan and others can get some good out of this type of discussion.</p>

<p>Luigi59, awesome report. Thanks for the link. I don't have time to read the whole thing, but it looks like it does say that Academy grads have better "survival" trends? Can you give us a synopsis of what you got out of it?</p>