Religion in America

[thrill3rnit3]

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I’m not a religious person at all. But religion in it’s shell does nothing of what you said. In the theoretical but realistically impossible perfect world, religion would be all fine and dandy. But because the followers, the people, twist and contort religion, you see it as it is now. Religion doesn’t cause destruction, people do. We just use religion as a scapegoat because we don’t want to blame ourselves or another human directly.

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<p>bingo, we’ve got a winner</p>

[r0kAng3l]

<p>Yes, but since the people use religion in a manipulative way is what makes religion just as bad. See, since the world is not perfect and humans are still “bad”, it is because of what their religion “told” them. What they believe. Like how the Christians burned and hanged the Jews during the Black Plague. They thought God created the plague because the Jews killed Jesus. There are many incidents like this that makes religion bad. I’m not saying religion by itself, but the people who follow it.</p>

[noimagination]

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Yes, but since the people use religion in a manipulative way is what makes religion just as bad. See, since the world is not perfect and humans are still “bad”, it is because of what their religion “told” them. What they believe. Like how the Christians burned and hanged the Jews during the Black Plague. They thought God created the plague because the Jews killed Jesus. There are many incidents like this that makes religion bad. I’m not saying religion by itself, but the people who follow it.

Stalin caused the deaths of over 3 million people - over 10 million if you include those who starved to death from famine. Obviously, the lack of religion was the problem, right?</p>

<p>Seriously, just stop. You’re flogging a dead horse and looking like a fool doing it.</p>

[thrill3rnit3]

<p>I’m done with this thread. I’m not going to argue with someone that is not intellectually capable of such discussion.</p>

[r0kAng3l]

<p>Hey, it’s all my opinion. That does not make me not “intellectually capable of a discussion”.</p>

[noimagination]

<p>^ The problem isn’t your opinion. It’s the distorted, irrelevant, or just plain wrong “facts” you use to support your opinion.</p>

[thrill3rnit3]

<p>Yes, of course you are entitled to your own opinion.</p>

<p>But once you say such ridiculous things, one might question your credibility, which certainly has taken place several times throughout the thread.</p>

[r0kAng3l]

<p>What happened in the Black Plague was true. All I said was that I think religion has gone out of hand. Everything was my opinion except a few stuff about history, which did happen.</p>

[noimagination]

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What happened in the Black Plague was true. All I said was that I think religion has gone out of hand. Everything was my opinion except a few stuff about history, which did happen.

Look back though the quoted text in post #59 and maybe you’ll see why I’m concerned.</p>

[thrill3rnit3]

<p>Seriously, I respect those who believe differently from me. But you’re just hurting your own cause by claiming such “facts”.</p>

[r0kAng3l]

<p>The Enlightment was true that is how Thomas Jefferson and the Founding Fathers put the seperation of church and state in the Constitution. Black Plague part did happen. The floating rock is true and the “war” between Jews and Muslims. The only thing I said, which was opinion, is that religion has created many conflicts. When I say religion I meant religious followers.</p>

[MIThopeful16]

<p>But * WHO * killed the jews. People. The religion itself didn’t kill them, the people twisted the religious faith to suit their own goals. Good sociological topic when you have someone who is capable of understanding that. Your historical facts are inaccurate, your opinions flawed because of the facts. It’s not the religion that has gone out of hand, it’s the people.</p>

[r0kAng3l]

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The only thing I said, which was opinion, is that religion has created many conflicts. When I say religion I meant religious followers.

<— I just said that…</p>

<p>And how are my facts inaccurate?</p>

[MIThopeful16]

<p>Your statement that slavery was a religious practice.</p>

[eastafrobeauty]

<p>LMAO @ r0kan3l’s posts and reasoning hahahahaha…</p>

<p>I second what MIT said…in essence, it’s really the people that are responsible…no need to put blame on religion.</p>

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@r0kang3l

Even the people dying in Isreal because the Islams and Jews are fighting over that one land (always forget the name). Where the Islamic “floating rock” and the Jew’s church is near the same area and people are dying everyday because of it.

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<p>LOL. Btw, they’re called “muslims” not “Islams”. *** is a “floating rock”? I think you meant the “rock of the dome”–and no, they’re not fighting over that…that’s actually Muslim territory lol.And the Palestinians are fighting with the Israeli people because they wrongfully got kicked out of their homeland. It’s a very long story…</p>

[MIThopeful16]

<p>Let’s hope this thread doesn’t become as long as Science-Religon: Which Wins?</p>

[thrill3rnit3]

<p>the Islams</p>

[noimagination]

<p>@r0kAng3l:</p>

<p>Are you familiar with the Society of the Godless?</p>

<p>In any case, your posts are:</p>

<p>a) contradictory: “I’m not here to criticize religion (maybe I am)”
b) uninformed: “Even the people dying in Isreal because the Islams and Jews are fighting over that one land (always forget the name)” , “I’m not entirely sure if John Locke or Thomas Paine were religious, though, I think they did have a huge impact on religion during that era”
c) illogical: “We never learned that slavery came from religion. Yet, if you look back, it was mainly religious individuals who owned slaves.”
d) incoherent: “Yet the Founding Fathers believed in the Enlightment by Locke?”</p>

<p>Am I missing anything?</p>

[CelaPlusAimaple]

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Let’s hope this thread doesn’t become as long as Science-Religon: Which Wins?

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<p>haha I’ve tried to kill that thread so many times :b</p>

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Yet, if you look back, it was mainly religious individuals who owned slaves."

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<p>Not to become involved, but the abolitionist movement was run almost in its entirety by the religious establishment, incl. Henry Ward Beecher, Theodore Weld, and, my favorite, Angelina Grimke (lol at her appearance)</p>

[anon67455021]

<p>Government is secular, so no, we are not christian government. We are, however, a christian nation because the europeans who immigrated here were christian.</p>