<p>Two</a> U-Va. Students Charged in Kidnapping</p>
<p>Hi Globie!
;-)</p>
<p>Idiots. Engineering makes some of us go batty sometimes I guess!</p>
<p>This happened 7 miles from my house. What were those dopes thinking?</p>
<p>barrons,</p>
<p>i don't get it, are we supposed to find bad press about wisconsin and post it on that board? whats your problem with the UVa?</p>
<p>Globie and I have a little fun battle going. It's all just factual stuff. Don't you enjoy facts? It's better than ----- sucks.</p>
<p>Here's what will happen to these worthless d-bags: they'll be imprisoned, tried and expelled by UJC and then deported (if applicable). They deserve everything coming to them.</p>
<p>I wouldn't be surprised if these knuckleheads claim it was a crazy prank. Maybe they think they're at MIT.</p>
<p>I know one of these kids, sort of. He seemed nice enough. So weird.</p>
<p>Bagh these are those crazy kids that sit in the corner of Webb lounge and play WoW all day giggling at everyone else there iirc. I always knew there was something up with them...</p>
<p>Brown college consensus
first guy: they're getting expelled
2nd guy: they're going to jail, who cares about getting expelled
3rd guy: they're gonna be sent back to china, where...</p>
<p>my cs prof's opinion: one less test to grade (apparently one of the kids was in the other section of the class than i am in). then lectured us on why the engineering dept was going to fail them because they used the guy's cellphone right there and triangulation/least squares led to finding their location in, like, a second. and anyone like that fails uva e-school or something. it was funny.</p>
<p>does anyone else think that this makes uva look bad not only because they did something worthy of breaking the honor code but also because they went about this stupidly?</p>
<p>Hazelorb: I agree. Those nutheads used a cellphone when they teach you Day 1 in ECE200 (which they probably took as a science elective if they're in CS) that you can trace a cell phone easier than a landline these days. Therefor, they suck as e-schoolers =P</p>
<p>I doubt it will make UVa look bad. It was their personal choice to do such actions, it wasn't even on grounds, and UVa is booting them in a heartbeat. I think it re-affirms an honor code, which to some, is failing recently.</p>
<p>To address the failing part: (disclaimer: i do not feel the honor code is failing/doing better, i'm just repeating an interesting story)
my uncle graduated in '64. Back then, you could walk into a store, try to buy beer, and they wouldn't even card you, they'd just ask if you're 21 and move on (much like frats today). He said no one, absolutely no one, lied, and if they did, they were booted in an instant. The honor code was taken very seriously back then, and thus less violations occurred. Today, some argue that it's become weaker, while others say the single sanction is too harsh.
It's hard to decide how the honor code reacts to this stuff and how the honor code rules should be imposed on certain cases. But something like this, they blatantly broke the law, which is a violation. I think UVA will use this to prove the honor code is still in affect and will be used.</p>
<p>PS- if you're arrested/charged with a felony, can an university kick you out? I know it's against UVa's honor code and that's their reason, but what about other schools? Also, can you win the lottery if you're a felon? I find mixed results on google...</p>
<p>Whether the actions of these idiots violate the Honor code is questionable. As far as I can tell, the only act of lying, cheating or stealing that they committed was the theft of the credit card, which they used to make $1300 in purchases. But you must understand that the jurisdiction of the Honor code is not unlimited: for it to apply in this case, it must be shown that they represented themselves as UVA students to gain trust, which it does appear that they did. </p>
<p>So, in my opinion, it's unlikely that the Honor Committee will have anything to do with this.</p>
<p>UJC, on the other hand, might end up dealing with these guys. If the Office of the Dean of Students feels that the accused should be charged with a standard 10 violation (a violation of local/state/federal law), then that charge will be brought against the two of them. Given the severity of their crime and the complete absense of morality leading to it, it is likely that they would be expelled.</p>
<p>You guys should brush up on your understanding of Honor/UJC... ;)</p>
<p><schadenfreude></schadenfreude></p>
<p>After perusing findlaw for a similar case, I found the following: </p>
<p>FindLaw</a> for Legal Professionals - Case Law, Federal and State Resources, Forms, and Code</p>
<p>The perp in that case was charged with three counts of "abduction with intent to extort money", and upon being found guilty of all three (in addition to twelve other charges), was sentenced to TWENTY years in prison for EACH count of abduction. These doods are about to be pwn3d reverse big willie style. lol. Also, they're both Chinese nationals, so I'm assuming they'll be deported.</p>
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<p>I was waiting for Cav to show up and explain the Honor Code vs. UJC. Well done.</p>
<p>Ahh, good point Cav.</p>
<p>I assume they'll be convicted, and then probably be sent home without being imprisoned. Less tax dollars wasted I suppose...
One of my friend's hallmates from last year lives with one of the guys that committed the crime. He said even in China they'd get 15 years, so it's not like they didn't know.</p>
<p>erm, foreign nationals who commit felonies in the United States aren't simply sent home if convicted, shoebox. They will be punished with prison time.</p>
<p>Obviously I know a ton about immigration stuff...oops..Good to know though</p>
<p>again, stupid e-school kids! gosh! don't they know anything? =P</p>