<p>Well its true that Stanford did at first borrow from Cornell and for good reason too. Cornell was a young successful university that was (and still is) very good. However academically I don't really think there's much rivalry between them. Stanford has surpassed Cornell now in most disciplines and I don't think I know anyone that views Stanford and Cornell as rivals.</p>
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Vicissitudes, except whose name appears on that Axe 37 times? Quite a few more than Berkeley. You've had it for 3 or 4 seasons...wow, remembeer 1994-2001???
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<p>Have you all forgotten about THE PLAY??? The most amazing play in college football!</p>
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This is not an accident either since Stanford was started as a copy of Cornell.
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<p>I think UMich founders wanted to copy Cornell too. Can't remember.</p>
<p>Duke and UNC are athletic rivals in my opinion. Of the several students I know here as a student, most people only applied to Duke and didn't give UNC a thought.</p>
<p>Remembering my college application days and talking to prospective freshmen, I would argue that Duke's rivals are Stanford and Penn. During my recruitment trip, pretty much everyone who didn't come to Duke went to Stanford or Penn since they are all warm weather (almost for Penn) alternatives to HYP.</p>
<p>WashU and Emory</p>
<p>I feel like there is a one sided rivalry between michigan and michigan state. It seems like a lot of times MSU students are so determined to prove that their school is as good as Michigan.. hmmm</p>
<p>Duke and UNC are athletic rivalry obviously, academically UNC's rivals are UVA, William and Mary, and Davidson...Duke's academic rivals are probably Stanford, Yale, Penn, and Dartmouth, which are schools its pretty similar to academically and socially - for example, like Stanford it has big time sports, like Penn and Dartmouth has pretty big active social scene and Greek life, and it has a residential college system like Yale's (I think based after Yales)</p>
<p>Phroz3n, it is Cornell that wanted to copy Michigan, not Michigan that wanted to copy Cornell. Ezra Cornell wanted to found a new university in the Finger Lakes area and asked Andrew Dickson White (a University of Michigan professor at the time) to co-found a university with him. White was Cornell's co-founder and president from when it was founded in 1865 until 1885. His successor, Charles Kendall Adams (a former student of White's at the University of Michigan), a professor of History at the University of Michigan, served as president of Cornell from 1885-1892. </p>
<p>Since those two Michigan men led Cornell in the late 19th century, 4 other Wolverines served as presidents of Cornell.</p>
<p>There's no "proving" about it, HauckT on the undergrad level, in many areas, it is. Now, you can come some objective standards -- endowment, library size, for example -- that, yes, puts UM ahead of MSU – but it's a tired old argument. But despite the traditional trash-talking and chest thumping by a lot of UM fans and alums who simply hate the idea of "lowering" themselves to academically compete with MSU and that, more properly, UM's on an Ivy League level, fact is the schools are academic as well as sports rivals -- many bright students in the Midwest, esp in Michigan, choose MSU over UM – students who could get in UM or an Ivy – too many have and continue to do so, in greater and greater numbers, to simply ignore.</p>
<p>I'll let others grapple over who's 'better' overall (and I'm not saying MSU is by any means), but to act like there's absolutely no degree of parity between the schools, esp undergrad-wise, is akin to whistling past the grave yard.</p>
<p>case and point. thx quincy!</p>
<p>I choose to go to MSU even though Im match for Michigan.</p>
<p>Puppetzz, there are many students in the state of Michigan who chose MSU over Michigan. It is primarily due to family loyalty. But are you sure Michigan is a match for you? If I recall, your ACT was a little lower than the Michigan mean.</p>
<p>My ACT(27) is in their middle 50% and my Umich GPA is a 3.8</p>
<p>What is your point, hauckT? I don't have to prove anything. The bright kids of Michigan have already done it for me...</p>
<p>^^ you can't make a blanket statement like that, Alexandre. Family loyalty is a factor sometimes, yes, but I've seen more cases than not where it isn't. I've worked with admissions and we've seen many bright kids come to MSU who's entire family is Wolverine. Fact is -- and you cannot deny it -- is that THE central question asked by and of Michigan HS seniors is: Michigan or Michigan State? -- not UM or Western? ... or Wayne, or Ferris, or CMU or Eastern, or... Sports is a big part of the MSU-UM rivalry, but at its core, its academic.</p>
<p>And, no, size isn't the issue either. I know in Ohio, the bright kids don't ask 'Miami or OSU', because OSU traditionally -- esp with it's open admissions which was abolished only fairly recently -- was looked at as a football school.</p>
<p>btw, Alexandre, MSU academically is steeped in tradition. MSU's 1st president was a Harvard man and he put his academic stamp on the school which has remained throughout its growth and several name changes -- maybe we should be the "Harvard of the Midwest". In the 19th Century MSU also had 3 alums (and 4 ex profs) who taught at Cornell, too, including on its inaugural staff (to wit: botany chair, Albert Prentiss).</p>
<p>I refer you to: </p>
<p>Georgetown and JHU have somewhat of an academic rivalry. And, to a lesser degree, Georgetown and Virginia- probably due to proximity.</p>
<p>There isn't much love among Georgetown, Notre Dame, and Boston College, for a lot of different reasons. I went to BC, and can honestly say I've never met a Notre Dame guy that I liked even slightly. I once worked for a Jewish lesbian who went to Georgetown, and we got along great (true story).</p>