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Huh? You do realize that you can choose the EE track instead of the CE track, don’t you? How many programming courses do you think are required for the EE track?</p>
<p>@GoBlue81</p>
<p>[Michigan</a> Engineering | Undergraduate Degree Options](<a href=“http://www.engin.umich.edu/students/academics/undergrad/degreeoptions.html]Michigan”>http://www.engin.umich.edu/students/academics/undergrad/degreeoptions.html)</p>
<p>I could be wrong, but I’ve always seen the major called EECS (Electrical Engineering and Computer Science). I know in some places like Illinios it’s lumped into ECE (Electrical and Computer Engineering). I’m not completely familiar with the upper track of EECS at Michigan, but my guess is that even if there is an emphasis of EE, there will still be a fair share of CS classes that need to be taken.</p>
<p>For the OP, the point isn’t how many just that CS takes a certain mindset which could be good or not depending on the individual.</p>
<p>[EECS</a> Undergraduate Program](<a href=“Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan”>Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan)
<a href=“Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan”>Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan;
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- Program Core Courses: All of the following courses are required (29 credits total):
a. Electrical Engineering Core: EECS 215 (Intro. to Electronic Circuits), EECS 216 (Intro. to Signals and
Systems), EECS 280 (Data Structures & Algorithms), EECS 230 (Electromagnetics I), EECS 320
(Intro. to Semiconductor Devices)
b. Probabilistic Methods: EECS 401
c. Technical Communications: TCHNCLCM 300 (1 credit)
d. Engineering professionalism: EECS 496 (2 credits)
e. Writing and oral presentation: TCHNCLCM 496 (2 credits) - Technical Electives: A minimum of 33 additional credits of technical electives are required:
a. Core Electives: 8 credits from two or more categories:
i. Signals & Systems: EECS 353*, EECS 451, EECS 455, EECS 460
ii. Circuits: EECS 311, EECS 312
iii. Electromagnetics / Optics: EECS 330, EECS 334
iv. Computers: EECS 270, EECS 370</p>
<p>EECS 270 - Intro to Logic Design
EECS 370 - Intro to Computer Organization (Basic concepts of computer organization and hardware.)</p>
<p>@GoBlue81:</p>
<p>EECS 280 (Data Structures & Algorithms) is a required computer course. So is intro course ENG 101.</p>
<p>Are you an EECS student? How is the IB/FE/PE/Consulting recruitement for EECS students?</p>
<p>There is a lot of programming in EECS 370, to be fair. Though again, EEs don’t have to take it. EECS 270 has some programming in the lab, but that’s not the focus of the class. </p>
<p>A lot of EECS students go work for banks in technical roles, frequently programming related. Investment banking is less prominent, but I’m not sure how prominent.</p>
<p>Sorry to interrupt, but i have a question about the application.</p>
<p>The second essay asks for an extra curricular that portrays your values. Can these ECs be ones we did during high school? Or only college?</p>
<p>I know it’s kind of early to ask this but i was just curious so I know what activities I should look into.</p>
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<p>Do you have any idea why that is? Aside from well-paying quant roles, it seems like an R&D job at a firm like Intel would be far more appealing to EECS students than back-office job at a bank. Maybe I’m oblivious, but if I were to study engineering that seems like the coolest **** to be a part of.</p>
<p>@iamsocool</p>
<p>College. Go with business related extracurriculars or anything that could be applied to an area of business.</p>
<p>@Infinit</p>
<p>College of Engineering is large. I’m sure among thousands of engineers a few would find they are interested in finance. A fair share, especially in S & T, are also very competitive for front office positions. Also, the salary in back office is still pretty good for someone right out of college.</p>
<p>Later on, a lot of engineers can later become quants (especially CS majors).</p>
<p>“I’m sure among thousands of engineers a few would find they are interested in finance.”
I disagree. A tech job at a bank is still primarily an IT job, not a finance job, so their interest in finance is irrelevant. I would give you that the technology groups directly supporting the front office might be a somewhat financy (and that is probably reaching). But if you are just an application/solutions developer or a DBA, it is no different than working at tech roles at other F500 companies.
I do hear that quite a lot of EECS students get suckered into the notion that “woahhh I am going to work at Goldman Sachs!” and think they are going to work in high finance and make the big bucks, just to realize that they made the wrong decision the day after they start working in BO and find out that their job has not much to do with finance.</p>
<p>“A fair share, especially in S & T, are also very competitive for front office positions.”
What do you mean? S&T is by definition front office, so they are not “also very competitive for front office positions”. They are working in FO.</p>
<p>@bearcats
“What do you mean? S&T is by definition front office, so they are not “also very competitive for front office positions”. They are working in FO.”</p>
<p>Sorry, I think it came off wrong. I meant to say that many engineers are competent for S&T, which is front office.</p>
<p>Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but it should be easier to jump from back office to front office than from F500 tech to front office (probably hard but easier in the former case than the latter). Especially with the connections you could make. </p>
<p>Though I’m sure the average person in engineering who is actually interested in finance will do his homework and apply and try to get front office positions.</p>
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<p>Not to mention that S&T is where investment banks generate most of their revenue.</p>
<p>So basically the bottom line is if you want to maximize your chances at getting a front office job at an Investment Bank, go to Ross, and if you specifically want to get into Trading, pair that with a math or other quanty minor. </p>
<p>However EEPurdue, you should guage how interested you are in Electrical Engineering and how interested you are in Finance. I mean, I’m sure bearcats can attest that Investment Banking is no walk in the park (hours are very very bad). Maybe S&T is different, but I’ve heard through family friends that those analyst years in IB are rough. </p>
<p>If you truly are interested in Electrical Engineering, I’d just say get a degree in that and work at top-notch company for 3-5 years and if you find out you want to do something different get an MBA and rebrand yourself for Investment Banking associate jobs.</p>
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<p>It might not be front-office finance, but they’re still making big bucks. If you divide their salary by the number of hours they work a first year programmer at Goldman is going to make more than a first year Investment Banker. </p>
<p>Infinit, Intel doesn’t simply hire every qualified person who wants to work there. Neither does any other company. They hire people to fill roles they need filled. Intel’s demand for EECS majors isn’t enough to employ them all, so they’ll work in all industries.</p>
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Yeah…don’t listen to this guy. </p>
<p>@iamsocool</p>
<p>Ross looks for the quality of the extracurricular activities you enrolled in. Don’t do a club just because it’s business-related.</p>
<p>@Sneakerhead91 </p>
<p>I didn’t say just business clubs, but anything that could apply to business (could be almost anything since business is more of a trade than a skill). </p>
<p>I used to have regular meetings with my Preferred Admit advisor and she used to tell me that they do factor in some form of business interest/relations to admissions (I asked for preferred admits). </p>
<p>Maybe they change it for regular. But I’m sure they still factor in some form. Sure, it doesn’t have to be MII or Bond Consulting, but something relating to or applying to business does look good (some management/leadership role, ways you improved said club (goes with management too), etc.).</p>
<p>What are good business clubs besides BOND and MII? Just wondering for next year (going to be a sophomore in Ross). Also, which is better anyway, I know they’re very different and can’t be compared that directly, but still.</p>
<p>Just to let you guys know as an upcoming freshman this thread terrifies me about my chances of getting into Ross D:</p>
<p>@GregC123</p>
<p>MII is more based on investments (stock/option investments in particular), while BOND Consulting does consulting for Ann Arbor businesses. What club you choose to join is entirely up to you and your interests.</p>
<p>Some of the ones I know of:</p>
<p>Michigan Interactive Investments - MII: [Michigan</a> Interactive Investments](<a href=“http://miiclub.org/]Michigan”>http://miiclub.org/)
BOND Consulting: [Bond</a> Consulting Group](<a href=“http://www.bond-consulting.org/]Bond”>http://www.bond-consulting.org/)
Michigan Investment Banking Club - MIBC: [Michigan</a> Investment Banking Club](<a href=“http://www.themibc.com%5DMichigan”>http://www.themibc.com)
Global Investments Club - GIC: [About</a> - Global Investment Club | Michigan Ross School of Business](<a href=“http://ross.campusgroups.com/gic/about/]About”>Campus Home - CampusGroups)
Emerging Markets Club - EMC: [Emerging</a> Markets Club Home Page - Emerging Markets Club | Michigan Ross School of Business](<a href=“http://ross.campusgroups.com/emc/home/]Emerging”>Campus Home - CampusGroups)
Net Impact (Sustainability/Environemntal Club): [About</a> - Ross Net Impact | Michigan Ross School of Business](<a href=“http://ross.campusgroups.com/netimpact/about-us/]About”>Home - Net Impact @ Ross | Michigan Ross School of Business)
There is also a BBA Consulting and BBA Finance Club</p>
<p>On top of the ones I’ve listed, there are also many others. I would go through the business section of clubs in festifall to get an idea. Also, I believe that Ross hosts a festifall type of thing as well, so I would go to that.</p>
<p>PLEASE, ENOUGH WITH ENGINEERING? Just for a moment so we can talk about Ross admissions? Man oh man…kudos to Goldenglobe for that club list though.</p>
<p>I got in. As a second year re-applicant. Sorry if you think my stats are sh_t =/ </p>
<p>GPA: 3.38
1st Semester:
Span 232 : B
Acad Argumentation : A
Econ 401: Withdrew (didn’t want to take a GPA hit)
Rocket Science: A-</p>
<p>2nd Semester:
Marketing (bschool): A+
Int’l Strategy (bschool): A
Accounting (bschool): B
International Studies: A</p>
<p>Remember ross really loves reapplicants. A guaranteed 5th year of tuition for the school, going through application again shows that the students really want it. Add that with an upward sloping GPA curve and I think re-admits can get in. So if you got rejected and really want Ross. Up your stuff and re-apply! I reapplied because I was going to drop out or transfer if I had to spend another year in LSA.</p>
<p>ECs:
Heavily heavily evolved in EC one relating to business, the other community service. Taught myself how to trade stock options successfully and recorded results for admissions. My essay of “How do you belong in Ross” was wayyyyyyyyyyyy out there. Wasn’t in essay format at all. </p>
<p>Fresh Grades:
Econ 102: B
Calc II: C+
EECS 183: B
Span 103, 231: B
Eng 125: B+
Creative Writing: A</p>
<p>Congrats to all the new classmates! And to those who didn’t get in, don’t despair. Its already mentioned that recruitment is the one things that sets Ross apart, so just pay a fellow ross student $5 to have their email forward you recruiting events. Don’t forget to wear a suit to the events though (a mistake I made =O). And if LSA really really isn’t your thing (like it was with me) re-apply and do it big. Show admissions some initiative!</p>
<p>And Matt123 fu_ck the haters man you got in. Being a student and an athlete for Michigan is tough as hell. Kudos kudos man, I’m glad to be your soon to be classmate.</p>
<p>This thread really interests me, it looks like Ross may value ECs over grades? Maybe their view is, “sure a 3.9 is great, but he was only in a fraternity.”</p>
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<p>Admitted to Ross as a Regular Decision Applicant</p>
<p>GPA 3.85</p>
<p>Econ A-</p>
<p>Calc A-</p>
<p>Latin A</p>
<p>ACT 30</p>
<p>SAT 2050</p>
<p>EC’s 5 here at UMich Freshman Year</p>
<p>In my opinion Essay’s are Extremely Important!!! Most Applicants know that GPA A/B avg is base criteria and EC’s obviously help… therefore that leaves Essays as the unique variable that will differentiate you from the rest of the pack</p>