<p>Someone I knew sent me a resume of a Michigan student he was on the fence about and asked if I know him and whether he's worth interviewing. </p>
<p>Pretty pedestrian qualification... 3.7 from LSA, low SAT score (like 1400 M + V) and no-name boutique ib internship in Michigan so I was gonna suggest nah anyway.... then I noticed one thing. </p>
<p>Major: Economics/ Minor : Business Administration - Finance (have taken the maximum 20 credits at Ross)</p>
<p>at first I didn't make a big deal out of it..then I realized..wth? Ross doesnt even offer a minor. This guy just created a non-existent minor for himself!?!? </p>
<p>Jeffrey Chiang-esque behavior like this cast very negative light on the university and I am thinking about putting my friend in touch with the university to report the scum and encourage the university for potential disciplinary action. What do you guys think? Does the guy deserve to have his career potentially wrecked before he even started for such gross misconduct and dishonesty?</p>
<p>For those of you who don't get the J Chiang reference, please see link below</p>
<p>p.s Dont ask me for the name. While I believe J Chiang deserved what he got (banned from career service and a bad name in the industry), I do not agree with how people started forwarding private email conversations around</p>
<p>Why did the interviewer ask you whether he should interview someone? Even if you have been offered a full-time position and interned at the company, it seems weird that they’d ask you.</p>
<p>That’s not as bad as what Chiang did. He forged an offer letter from Bank of “Ameria”. That’s much worse than creating a title for the coursework you’ve completed (at least the kid has the knowledge). I think what he wrote tries to define the “minor” label. That said, he shouldn’t have claimed he is receiving a designation as mainstream as “minor” when he clearly isn’t and if nothing else, it shows he isn’t very tactful (thinking no one would question that line/accepting the 20 credits thing as justification). A line stating something like “Ross School of Business coursework (20 credits) includes: yada yada yada” would have been sufficient.</p>
<p>I suggest you tell your Analyst the deal, obviously, but encourage him to take it easy on the kid. The line certainly necessitates a ding, but it really isn’t terribly Chiang-esque. Your Analyst should explain to the kid exactly why he isn’t getting an interview, that he should remove the line from his resume as stated, and that he should be lucky that the school will not be finding out.</p>
<p>1400 SAT isn’t low. Not outstanding, but it’s check-the-box good.</p>
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<p>Very common to reach out to resources (i.e. former interns/future employees, current employees, or any contacts you have) that might be able to give you more information on a potential candidate.</p>
<p>“…and that he should be lucky that the school will not be finding out.” Hearing that from a prospective employer should teach him a lesson. He certainly will realize that severity of his action. If he’s an idiot he’ll do it again and just get into trouble the next time. But give him a chance to survive. It would be a real handicap having to go through life needing to check the box for “academic/professional disciplinary action” on anything he ever applies to again. I’m all for leniency if the person learns his lesson. Think about how you would feel if it were you. Then again, once you let the cat out of the bag to your Analyst, he may not care that you advise to go easy on him. So be careful if your intention is to help the kid out.</p>
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<p>Consulting might want to see it. Banks in general like to see it, but typically any place you apply to will specify what they want to see. If it’s a good score, put it down- it won’t hurt. Make sure you break down Math/Verbal (or Math/Reading if you took the ACT). General rule of thumb: if your Math+Verbal score is above 1400 (32 avg. on ACT) it’s a good check-the-box statistic (for IB).</p>
<p>My friend frequents this forum and pointed me to this post as I told him about my phone conversation with this loser bearcats a while ago and I am here to defend myself. </p>
<p>Couple days ago, I received a phone call from this arrogant SOB, bearcats, acting all self righteous and scolding me about how I am a disgrace to the university and telling me if I don’t take minor off my resumes in the future he will personally wreck my professional career. Funny people can act all tough guy behind a phone and a computer. </p>
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<li><p>Big F–king deal! OK, there is no official Ross minor, but at most schools, 20 credits would constitute a minor for sure. Therefore, it is simply wording, not dishonesty. I would have the credits and coursework to get a minor everywhere else.</p></li>
<li><p>It is not as if writing a “minor in business” would make or break my resume. It is just wordings to convey the depth of my previous coursework in business without listing all of them out and using up all my resume space.</p></li>
<li><p>Who nitpicks a 1400 (800 Verbal too) SAT score? SAT score does not mean anything and the score itself is way above national average.</p></li>
<li><p>Jeffrey Chiang? Jeffrey Chiang broke federal laws by forging letters in other entity’s name. I did nothing wrong. How you can make that connection shows your lack of intelligence.</p></li>
<li><p>Are you sadist? Even if you could, what benefit do you get from “having my career potentially wrecked before it even started” (which you cannot since I did not do anything morally wrong) ?</p></li>
<li><p>Last but not least, your buddy at the bank violated privacy laws by sending my resume to someone outside the bank and completely unrelated to the application process. I dare you do anything and I will sue you losers for violation of my privacy.</p></li>
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With all due respect, yes you did. You implied that you minored at one of the nation’s most prestigious b-schools. While the misrepresentation reflects more poorly on you than on the school itself, it nonetheless puts the school as a recruiting resource in a bad light by giving evidence to a lack of firm business ethics instruction. It is not a great time in the IB realm to be perceived as fast and loose with facts ;)</p>
<p>While I understand your upset and embarrassment at finding yourself in this situation, I think you’d be better served to take the advice – however righteously delivered – and remove the word “minor” from your resume than expending any more energy being defensive or threatening “violation of privacy” action.</p>
<p>PS Emah is correct. You realize of course that the webmaster can track your IP address rather handily, right?</p>
<p>1400 SATs is fine if it were the other way around. However, when your math score is 600, it really tells me two things. If you get put on a vanilla desk, your mental math/logic wont be fast enough for the pace the cash trading business runs on. And if you are put on a slower pace exotic desk, you wont be capable of thinking mathematically about complex payoffs/product structure. So you arent really S&T material.</p>
<p>You would also have been better off listing the classes than saving the resume space, considering that the experiences on your resume isn’t even good.</p>
<p>Most of the other stuff you said have already been countered by other posters, so I wont even bother wasting my time going through them again… but it’s amazing that you don’t realize you did anything wrong. </p>
<p>It’s funny you aren’t even smart enough to figure out your best move. I didnt know you. I had nothing against you. I even wasted my valuable time to call you up and give you the advice. I would have just let it go with a ding and that would be the last you hear about it. You should have just said you will change your resume and be nice about it. But guess what, for you being a complete prick, now I know that I will be adding the economics department and the honors council to my cc list when I reply the email. </p>
<p>Best of luck finding a job being banned from career service and having to explain disciplinary action for dishonesty for every job you apply to for the rest of your career.</p>
<p>Email sent with cc to Ross and Department of Economics. You should have just been nice. Good luck not getting a high finance job in a foreseeable future! Now go sue me for privacy violation, i’ll see how that works out for you.</p>
<p>Loser needs to understand that what he did is morally wrong and if this is the response he gives to his mistake, he definitely does not belong, and probably would not succeed, in the business world. One word of advice to this person. Make sure you didn’t forge anything on your high school resume. Office of admissions is going to end up checking everything since Bearcats reported (regardless of whatever you may do to stop them). Even club membership. Oh, and the company definitely cannot get sued for giving out resumes to others. You gave it personally to the company (probably without any restrictions) and unless you state otherwise, it is their choice who it goes to, in order to make the decision on whether to accept you. Its kindof like if I gave a company spokesperson my resume and they give it to their boss to check it over. Can’t sue the boss nor the spokesperson. </p>
<p>Bearcats, that was awfully mean of you. Welcome to the corporate world.</p>
<p>While I don’t disagree with what you are doing, bearcats, do you really get THAT much pleasure out of reporting him? Don’t get me wrong; I’d probably be taking a similar course of action if I were in your position, but there’s no need to rub salt in his wounds anymore. What’s done is done.</p>
<p>“Email sent with cc to Ross and Department of Economics. You should have just been nice. Good luck not getting a high finance job in a foreseeable future!”</p>
<p>bearcats. You have said many things online disparaging the university and it’s school of business. How would you have liked it if someone sent these messages to your college? While it isn’t morally incorrect, it certainly wouldn’t be helpful with recommendations. I honestly believe you get pleasure out of making people feel inferior. Lines like these:</p>
<p>"Someone I knew sent me a resume of a Michigan student he was on the fence about and asked if I know him and whether he’s worth interviewing. </p>
<p>Pretty pedestrian qualification… 3.7 from LSA, low SAT score (like 1400 M + V) and no-name boutique ib internship in Michigan so I was gonna suggest nah anyway…"</p>
<p>You basically egged on this person to respond to your condescending remarks. You took the the low road to rat out someone. You must be so proud. Telling Youloser that he should “have just been nice” is pretty shallow coming from someone who doesn’t appear to have the slightest clue of what “nice” means.</p>