Ross or Stern for Undergrad

College Search & Selection
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<p>Ross or Stern for Undergrad.... Wharton is number 1.... then it gets kinda hazy after that with Sloan, Ross, Stern, Haas... But Im just wondering Ross or Stern.. i wanna go into finance/investing banking.. ik stern is amazing for that but still... ross is more well-rounded..</p>

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<p>Stern because it is in NYC - the center of finance.</p>

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<p>I don’t know too much about Stern. Have you visited Ross? It has very nice pretty new facilities just for Ross students. But unless you are a pre-admit, you are only admitted to U of M and you must apply for Ross your freshman year. Similar for Hass, you are only admitted to UCB and you must apply for Hass your sophomore year. There is no pre-admit for Hass and only about half get in each year. Make sure you do lots of research on each program and perhaps visit.</p>

<p>First choose the ones you want to apply to.
Second see if you get in.
Then the question of which one to attend.</p>

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<p>Being pre-admitted to Ross is very very difficult. It’s like 13ish% acceptance rate out of those already in UM. Ross isn’t very predictable for freshman year acceptances either so going to UM w/o pre-admit is risky. If you are preferred admitted to Ross and accepted to Stern go with fit. Stern has a slight edge for placement/location, but Ross placement is still extremely strong. I would give the edge to Ross for lifestyle/college experience for sure, great college town/sports.</p>

<p>But yeah, as BusyMei said, don’t worry about it now. Admissions are more surprising than you’d think. Somehow, I was preferred admitted at Ross and was waitlisted by Stern. Accepted to Northwestern yet Boston College waitlisted me. Who would’ve guessed.</p>

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<p>yea i visited ross and i visited stern… before my visits i was sold on stern being my second choice after wharton… since visiting ross and umich that has changed cuz i love the atmosphere there… </p>

<p>pat1120… if you dont mind can you tell me your stats that led to those decisions?</p>

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<p>There are certainly some randomness to college acceptance especially at the top colleges since they get so many competitive applicants with similar stats. That is why apply and see.</p>

<p>I like U of M and Ann Arbor a lot too. I think there is something extra you need to do (like another essay) to apply for Ross pre admit. Be sure to look into that.</p>

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<p>Both will probably cost the same but go with Stern since its in NYC. NYU has crazy connections there.</p>

<p>If you want to live in the mid-west Ross would be an ideal choice.</p>

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<p>If you want IB or Wall Street, Stern hands down</p>

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<p>just out of curiousity… for ib/wallstreet… if i took all undergrad business schools… stern would be second after wharton… right?</p>

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<p>No - would be Ross. Don’t believe me then look at the hiring by Company stats.</p>

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<p>“since visiting ross and umich that has changed cuz i love the atmosphere there…”</p>

<p>Don’t underestimate the importance of enjoying your college years rodrigo9. Ross is a very strong program and well recognized in NYC and elsewhere. Michigan will give you the real collegiate experience that NYU cannot. You have your whole life to live in the big city, if that is what you ultimately decide to do.</p>

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<p>Stern’s location does not give students the edge in securing internships or full time employment at investment banks. The competition for such jobs will be intense at Stern and the odds of landing an internship or full time job at an IBank are just as good out of Ross as they are out of Stern. If you were preadmitted into Ross, I would recommend you go to Ross as you seem to prefer the environment. If you are not preadmitted, you need to think hard about it, because getting into Ross is not a foregone conclusion. Wharton is indeed in a league of its own. Beyond Wharton, you have a handful of excellent options, and Ross (as well as Stern) is one of them.</p>

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<p>“If you want IB or Wall Street, Stern hands down.”</p>

<p>Nonsense. This is not a no brainer.</p>

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<p>I don’t think there is a difference in educational quality, but being in NYC I believe does give an advantage for internships.</p>

<p>However, I agree with the Michigan posters that UMich is the better experience.</p>

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<p>Strictly from a career perspective, I’d pick Stern for its location and NYC connections. Getting admitted to Ross before you start your freshman year is rare --and if you don’t get in as a freshman, there is always the risk you won’t get into the b-school at all (happened to 2 people I know). </p>

<p>But NYU with its location and lack of a true campus is not a typical college experience so that might be a factor as well. MI has a huge campus, big time sports etc. if that is what you are looking for. </p>

<p>If you don’t get direct admit to Ross, there are other schools you can consider that may also give you a mix of good business schools and a more typical college environment such as Cornell, Notre Dame, UVA, BC to name just a few.</p>

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<p>timetodecide and dlcor, it is a myth that Stern’s location gives it a leg up on the competition when it comes to placement in BB Wall Street firms. One must consider the size of the program (Stern is significantly larger than Ross) and the career objectives of its students (Stern students are more focused on finance jobs than Ross students). While you would likely have only 120-150 Ross students interested in Wall Street jobs in each graduating class, the number would be closer to 350-400 at Stern. </p>

<p>Prior to the 2009 global financial meltdown, Ross habitually placed approximately 75 undergrads in BB Wall Street banks annually. That represented 20% of the graduating class, which was not much lower than Wharton. Since the 2009 global depression, Wall Street firms have been more conservative in their hiring of analysts and Michigan, like any other target campus, has experienced a drop in recruitment activity on campus, from an average of 75 annually pre-2009 to an average of 45 annually since 2009.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2005.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2005.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2006.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2006.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2007.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2007.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2008.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2008.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2009.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2009.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2010.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2010.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentData2011.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentData2011.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentData2012.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentData2012.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I would love to see Stern’s placement data, but Stern is, suspiciously, the only top rated business school not to release placement details. I seriously doubt Stern places a noticeably higher percentage of its students in BB Wall Street firms.</p>

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<p>Stern is over rated due to its location, it doesn’t have much of a recruiting edge over similar level B Schools (McDonough, Ross etc). People think that it does because it is a massive school which inflates the number of students it has placed in ibanking positions relative to other schools. It certainly is not number two behind Wharton (I’d put Sloan there).</p>

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<p>Stern has the slight edge on Ross for IBD recruitment and is a far safer choice for a senior in high school since you will know right away if you are admitted. Honestly, why don’t you apply to some other private schools without undergraduate business programs but with strong recruiting and a campus-centric environment? Dartmouth, Duke, and Princeton immediately jump into mind.</p>

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<p>i wont get into dartmouth, duke, or princeton…</p>

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<p>if u wanna see my actual stats to give good list of target schools… here u go…</p>

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