<p>Sorry, I meant to say replace a language class with a writing class - I don’t think there are any language classes that count for FYWR. (Source [using advanced search]: [LSA</a> Course Guide](<a href=“http://www.lsa.umich.edu/cg/default.aspx]LSA”>LSA Course Guide))</p>
<p>For math, you just need Calc 1 and 2 to declare, and your choice of prob/stats class from their list of 4. I don’t know how EECS handles it if you took Calc 1 and 2 in high school though.</p>
<p>discrete math may be interesting. it is however a required class in any school essentially (they may call is something slightly diff). calc 3 is not required if u getting cs through lsa. You will have to take “tech electives” later but you can just take more cs classes to fulfill them. if you want to take classes in other engineering fields such as EE, ME etc then maybe taking calc 3 and calc 4 might be beneficial and necessary. However being a LSA student you probably wont have many of the physics pre reqs either so dunno how that would work. </p>
<p>in cs you will be taking eecs 203 (discrete), eecs 376 (foundations of comp sci) and some stats class they let you choose from. However it can never hurt to know more math and its always a plus. but don’t take unnecessary math classes if it may potentially put your more important classes in jepordy. Which is why you should take it easy ur first term so you can gauge yourself. </p>
<p>EECS def accepts calc 1 and calc 2. Well people dont enter the college as eecs, they just enter as engineers so being in eecs or not does not change if calc 1 and 2 are allowed from ap/IB or whatever else you took.</p>
<p>So my earlier claim that for requirements for CS-LSA and CSE seem to be out of date. Here are the changes: <a href=“Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan”>Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan; This seems to make CSE quite a bit more expansive than CS-LSA. </p>
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<p>I think you’d actually be doing the opposite if you did that. There’s plenty of important math classes to take, you don’t need to waste your time taking Calc 3 twice, especially if you’re an EECS major. </p>
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<p>Then you’re out of the requirement. Just like, I thought, any other major. Are there any which refuse either class from transferring in?</p>
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<p>Used to be, not anymore apparently. See the top of my post.</p>
<p>Are there any advantages to doing CS through LSA if you’re not doing a LSA double major? Seems like job recruiters would prefer CS-Eng kids over them. Plus, they get a BSE degree, unlike the LSA’s BS. Though downside, COE requires Chem, Physics, Eng 100, 4 Calc classes, 9 more credits of technical electives, 8 more credits overall for graduation. Core requirements are identical. So CS-LSA is easier than CS-eng, but that sounds more like a con than a pro since employers may want more serious engineers. </p>
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<a href=“Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan”>Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan;
<p>ForeverAlone, see my post directly above yours. The requirements for the entering Fall '12 class are different, and significantly less demanding. The core requirements are different now. EECS electives are gone from CS-LSA. They also allow Stats 250 which is the “joke” stats class. There’s some other changes too. </p>
<p>And honestly, I don’t think most employers know the difference. CS-LSA majors get access to the same recruiting opportunities as CSE majors. This may change, as before CS-LSA was very close to equivalent to CSE, but I doubt anyone cares enough about it to actually watch out for curriculum changes. I honestly don’t see how you can look at a someone’s major between CSE and CS-LSA and say one is a serious engineer and other is a bum.</p>
<p>Okay, but that doesn’t really answer my question. You didn’t state any advantages at all.
And I’m sure employers will know the difference. Using logical reasoning, if recruiters are willing take the time to visit to UMich, they’ll probably need details about Michigan’s CS curriculum.</p>
<p>FOUR Calc classes? I didn’t even know there were that many, never mind the fact that I’d be placing out of at LEAST the first two.</p>
<p>Anyway, I’m not specifically opposed to taking science-inclined classes like chemistry and physics (though if I can fight off the senioritis long enough I’ll be able to place out of basic Physics). It’s just that I also want flexibility to take language classes as well as art/design ones (mostly so I can say to employers that I have, though also for personal fulfillment). I just don’t see the need to do CSE if the only Engineering I’d touch with a thirty-nine-and-a-half-foot pole is CS.</p>
<p>Look, if you’re in CoE you’re not gonna be able to take art and language classes. You don’t have time, employers certainly don’t care, it would be unnecessary. If you’re in LSA you would have to take a language but I still don’t see you having time for art classes. The art majors work notoriously long hours on their projects and I haven’t heard of one non-art major taking a design class through that school.</p>
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<p>I have… Well, architecture, which I think has the same issues as art in that regard. But literally just one person. If I recall correctly, he said the professor was pretty chill and relaxed some of the due dates for him a little because he wasn’t an architecture major.</p>
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<p>Until now, there’s not been enough difference between CS-LSA and CSE that anyone would care. They have been extremely similar. If you’re hired to do a CS job, it makes no difference whether you took E&M or not. Even now that it’s changed, if employers did care, I don’t think they’re paying attention to the curriculum changes because it doesn’t happen frequently enough. </p>
<p>Also, employers simply care more about what you can do than did you take class XYZ. Sure, in CS there’s a couple of examples where a specific class is important, but those cases still apply to both CS-LSA and CSE.</p>
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<p>And that is exactly why OP is going to apply to LSA. The CS-LSA major is 51-52 credits, and a degree is 120. Plenty of time for art and design there, especially while you’re bottlenecked by 203/280/281.</p>
<p>Also, I don’t think the rigor of curriculum is really going to matter when the differences lie in things like math and science prereqs and you’re still taking the same upper level programming. (Vlad, I don’t see where the EECS electives are gone. Just a tiny bit less stringent.)</p>
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<p>@Vlad, I think some majors get touchy if you try to use high school credit for an entire prereq sequence like math. I didn’t feel like testing the system, so I personally just took 216 to prove I could handle a college-level math class.</p>
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<p>I like how you proceed to quote the old CS-LSA guide.</p>
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<p>For CS-LSA there are now no EECS electives (actually called “Flexible Technical Electives” in the program guide) required. </p>
<p>Here’s the CSE curriculum - 14 credits of “Flexible Technical Electives”: <a href=“Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan”>Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan;
<p>Here’s the CS-LSA curriculum - No “Flexible Technical Electives”: <a href=“Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan”>Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan;
<p>Gotcha, thanks for clarifying - I thought we were talking about the ULCS Electives. Did CS-LSA use to have Flex Tech though? I don’t remember planning for it when I was considering a CS major in 09, and I don’t see it on the comparison chart.</p>
<p>I don’t personally WANT to do CoE; I just also don’t want to get rejected by potential employers for doing LSA, but the more thoroughly I look, the less likely it seems to be that that’d happen.</p>
<p>I feel like people on this thread think that certain subjects are dead-set in their levels of intensity and requirements of time commitment. I don’t think that’s necessarily so. Sure, the average biochemical engineering class REQUIRES more effort, for example, than the average painting class (from what I’ve gathered), but if you’re really into painting, you’ll spend so much time on it that you won’t have too much for other things. There really isn’t such a sharp divide between “soft” and “hard” classes - though, for the record, two high-level algorithm classes and one math class at the same time does sound a bit rough.</p>
<p>Currently, the 1 math / 1 programming / 2 languages idea sounds good to me, especially since the composition of my curriculum doesn’t have to be set in stone the first semester of my first year.</p>