<p>no way!! not even close to ivy</p>
<p>William & Mary is the quintessential public Ivy. State U’s of Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, California and its branch campus in Los Angeles, round out this grouping.</p>
<p>A safety school for NJ students, with a good Honors program for dedicated students, CAN NOT and WILL NOT be considered a public Ivy, especially since that “invite” is bogus. However, Rutgers can and does offer a fine, affordable eduation to NJ students, as well as a very good education to dedicated and Honors students. As with any institution, your education will be what you make of it.</p>
<p>Sorry Luke. The top two public schools in this country are Berkeley and Michigan. UVA is weak in engineering and the natural sciences. Can’t be considered truly elite without offering those disciplines and not being stellar in either.</p>
<p>OK I am reading this post and I can’t believe what people are saying here:</p>
<p>“Rutgers would have been so much better if they had joined the Ivy League”</p>
<p>PEOPLE, THE IVY LEAGUE IS AN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE THAT HAPPENS TO HAVE MANY OF THE TOP SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTRY…it’s also a public school which means that funding will never be at the ivy league levels. Probably a terrible exam but just because Florida State is in the ACC doesn’t mean that their school is at the same level as Duke, UNC, BC.</p>
<p>^ kudos to that.</p>
<p>and for the first part hell no. Rutgers is just a typical state school where pretty much any new jersey state residents can get in, and also it is a “saftey” school to most of them. I have never met such people who think ivy league is there safety, right?</p>
<p>Honestly like UCLA, berkely or michigan, there are bunch of state residents who cannot get in because the competition is fierece as hell. So thats why they end up going to michigan state or third tier UCs.</p>
<p>First off, as previous posters have pointed out, the term “public ivy” doesn’t actually refer to any legitimate group in existence–it is just a way of distinguishing public universities that are not too far removed in caliber from their genuine Ivy League rivals.</p>
<p>That being said, there is no closed group of schools that would fit in under just such an imaginary title. Talk to different people, and you’ll get different responses on which schools they think have merit to be considered in such esteem. Rutgers most certainly has frequently been identified with this illusory consortium, and rightfully so. It’s worth noting that Rutgers was, in fact, originally included when the concept of the “public ivy” was first thought out.</p>
<p>As far as the astonishingly ignorant comments made by posters from states such as Idaho and Arizona are concerned: I would bet some of what you consider the best institutions out there are on the same level as most of our community colleges here in New Jersey and the north east more generally heh. Sorry, that was cocky.</p>
<p>Rutgers is most definitely recognized outside of the northeast–it’s well-respected the world over. Outside of NJ the name is often recognized with Ivies like Princeton, Harvard and Yale. As far as its’ status as a typical New Jersey safety school, it’s usually only a safety for the kids who know that they have good chances of getting into the Ivies and other prestigious private schools (and often times are only really doing themselves a disadvantage by trying to buck the trend of going to their state university, a shame). Many NJ kids get rejected–myself included, attempting to transfer in with a 3.5–and attend any of the numerous other unknown state schools.</p>
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<p>Rutgers, The State University Of New Jersey - New Brunswick
Academics
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey-New Brunswick, “is the kind of university [at which], if you make the effort to create your niche and find opportunities to succeed, you will have one of the best experiences of your life.” With “a great study-abroad program, solid academic departments and professors, the vast resources of a large research [school] and lots of scholarship money for honors students,” Rutgers “offers boundless opportunity, both educational and professional, but you have to be willing to go out and seek it.” Rutgers’ immenseness is made more manageable by its subdivision into 13 colleges, “each with its own unique community and environment, all unified under one entity that can afford all the opportunities of a large university.” Even so, the university’s bureaucracy is legendary. One student writes, “The school seems to take pride in its web of red tape. The famous ‘RU Screw’ has become so notorious that the university president had to publicly denounce it.” It’s a good sign that Rutgers “is progressively changing its administrative policies under the administration of its relatively new president. There is a renewed focus on student service, and the changes are evident.” As at many state schools, “Good things will not happen at Rutgers by sitting in the corner and waiting for opportunity to knock. It is a big school, so the more you put yourself out and make yourself known, the more likely you’ll be able to find help in academics and administration.” For self-starters, the rewards can be great. One writes, “I’ve had the opportunity to [conduct] my own research in the Rutgers facilities.” Indeed, "there is a lot of research going on at Rutgers. The topics are numerous, and there are plenty of spots to fill if you look around well enough.</p>
<p>Student Body
Rutgers “is huge, so there is just about every type of person you could think of here.” One undergrad observes, “With so many students, it’s hard not to find others with whom you fit in. But the drawback to such a large student body is that you need to go out and make friends; you can’t expect them to come to you.” Another student adds, “To be fair, sometimes it feels a bit like high school (there are ‘skaters’ and ‘preps’ and ‘thugs’ and all that), but once you’re an upperclassmen you kind of learn to ignore it.”</p>
<p>Academics
Weekdays are busy, and you can find places crowded at any time of the day on the Rutgers campus. “There’s always something going on: concerts, free movies, talks. It’s all about diversity and going out to find what you want to do.” Student government “is huge.” Students say there are “always voter registration drives, and we even have Tent State University in the spring, during which a bunch of political student groups set up tents on the main courtyard and camp out for a week handing out literature, having fun stuff (concerts, etc.), and talking to people about what they do and how they can get involved.” For some, “drinking is a big thing.” One student writes, “If there was no such thing as getting inebriated, there would be nothing to do here.” Many refute that position, noting “there are other things you can do as well. There are lots of places to eat and drink coffee…or going to a small discussion group with Jhumpa Lahiri, the Pulitzer Prize-winning writer,” to name a few. While weekdays are lively, weekends are another story. One student comments, "Life at Rutgers would feel more college-y if people didn’t leave on weekends and it [didn’t feel] so deserted.</p>
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<p>I’ll let this quote speak for itself.</p>
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<p>You seem as delusional as the typical Rutgers football fan.</p>
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<p>Now your post makes much more sense.</p>
<p>You will not confuse the Rutgers undergrad experience with a Cornell or Penn. Schools like Berkeley, Mich, UVA, and UNC you might. However, the public Ivies still don’t compete with the top Ivies in student quality and that is a noticeable difference in everyday life.</p>
<p>The most commonly listed public ivies are-
UC-Berkeley
UCLA
<strong><em>Indiana-Bloomington</em></strong>*
Michigan-Ann Arbor
UVA
UNC
Illinois
William and Mar</p>
<p>Which one of these is not like the others??? :)</p>
<p>SOme of these recent posts are a joke, right? No one really is saying Rutgers can be compared to Princeton, Yale et al are they? I wouldn’t even compare it to IU! It’s an OK state school which used to be better and is subject to a lot of budget issues in the state of NJ. I would pick TCNJ over Rutgers in most cases. </p>
<p>Illinois is no more “public Ivy” (stupid term) than Indiana, Tomslawsky.</p>
<p>Cornell is a true public Ivy. Four of Cornell’s colleges are part of the State University of New York system.</p>
<p>Another example of a “true public Ivy” might be the University of Pennsylvania veterinary school. It is partially subsidized by the state, and (like the vet school and other SUNY-system colleges at Cornell) has discounted in-state tuition rates for PA residents. Private schools, such as the Ivies, don’t normally have different in-state vs. out-of-state tuition rates.</p>
<p>Historically, the state of New Jersey (which does not have its own vet school) also provided support to both the Cornell and Penn vet schools. In return, those schools would reserve a certain number of spots for NJ residents, and charge them in-state tuition. Don’t know if this is still the case.</p>
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<p>Indiana isn’t even close to Illinois.</p>
<p>Vet school is graduate school.
Indiana certainly is close to Illinois, and much better in some areas.</p>
<p>"Illinois is no more “public Ivy” (stupid term) than Indiana, Tomslawsky. "</p>
<p>Let me justify: </p>
<p>I’m looking at student body quality as the primary metric. Illinois’ undergraduate student body really is in another league, compared to Indiana. The average ACT score is 26 vs 29 and SAT score is 1140 versus 1295, or a 155/1600 point gap. </p>
<p>For perspective, the middle 50% of Illinois’ students have the same SAT scores as the bottom 25% of Cornell and Illinois top 25% is on par with Cornell’s mid point SAT at 1410. On the other hand, Indiana has a 75th percentile of 1260, significantly below Illinois’ median SAT and more than likely equal to the bottom 10 percent of Cornell’s student body SAT score. This is why I would call Illinois a public elite and not Indiana. </p>
<p>Indiana:
Test Scores
Middle 50% of First-Year Students Percent Who Submitted Scores
SAT Critical Reading: 510 - 620 79%
SAT Math: 530 - 640 79%
SAT Writing: - -
ACT Composite: 23 - 29 52%</p>
<p>Illinois
Test Scores
Middle 50% of First-Year Students Percent Who Submitted Scores
SAT Critical Reading: 530 - 660 24%
SAT Math: 650 - 750 24%
SAT Writing: - -
ACT Composite: 26 - 31 89%</p>
<p>Here is the cover of Greene’s guide:</p>
<p>[Amazon.com:</a> The Public Ivies: America’s Flagship Public Universities (9780060934590): Howard Greene, Matthew W. Greene: Books](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Public-Ivies-Americas-Flagship-Universities/dp/006093459X#reader_006093459X]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/Public-Ivies-Americas-Flagship-Universities/dp/006093459X#reader_006093459X)</p>
<p>Maybe you should write the authors and tell them they need to put an asterisk next to a couple of schools because some blowhards on CC don’t agree with the list.</p>
<p>Maybe it’s OK to validly disagree with someone’s opinion. Because something is in print doesn’t make it written in stone. There are plenty of good reasons people have for disagreeing with US NEWS rankings.</p>
<p>It is very reasonable to say that a school with a median SAT score of 1140 isn’t on par with a league (Ivy) of schools where the median SAT as a whole is ~1450. SAT/ACT are the ONLY standardized measure of student body quality. With the other schools on the list, there is plenty of SAT “overlap” between the bottom quartile of the schools and the median scores of the Ivy as a whole. This just isn’t the case with Indiana. </p>
<p>I’m not saying Indiana isn’t a great school, it is. If I were in the market for a school today, it would be on the list of potentials. The student body, however just isn’t elite. And that is a fact.</p>