<p>I tend to look at Kelley School, music, education and other top programs at Indiana. Both are excellent Big Ten schools, but Public Ivy??? Don’t think so.</p>
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<p>Okay, I think we’ve had enough fun with this quote for a while. Whoever wrote it is either a blind Rutgers loyalist or someone with deep, biting sarcasm.</p>
<p>Rutgers is definitely not a “public ivy” (or a top public). But what is it? To which tier does it belong?</p>
<p>I personally think that it’s a cut or so below the SUNYs, with peers such as UConn and UMass. </p>
<p>Thoughts???</p>
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<p>Rutgers? come on.</p>
<p>It’s just a make-believe that Jersey people made, because they simply want to make themselves look better!</p>
<p>and I live in NJ, so no hating… :(</p>
<p>Rutgers can’t really quite compete with Princeton or Harvard, I think what was meant was that the name “Rutgers” is a well recognized name, it carries weight. Many among the uninitiated readily assume it’s up there in status. Make what you want of that, but I’ve seen that this works to the advantage of R.U. grads more often than not.</p>
<p>All this is not to say that Rutgers isn’t genuinely a good school - it’s an excellent school. Interestingguy is way off the mark by saying it is low tier and not a top public school. It seems he has some irrational resentment towards the school for whatever reasons… </p>
<p>Rutgers irrefutably is a top public university - in the top 100 - and many of its programs are on the same level or better than those of more “prestigious” schools.</p>
<p>And Indiana better than Rutgers? That’s laughable.</p>
<p>There’s absolutely nothing wrong with Rutgers except for the fact that people from Jersey like to hate it. It’s a good school people should recognize that. I guess it’s the thing to do up there. But I wouldn’t say it is a public ivy. In fact, I wouldn’t call any school a public ivy, it’s a nonsense term. The Ivy League is a conference, not a category.</p>
<p>There’s a lot of ax grinding against Rutgers here, for whatever reason. Most of it seems based on hearsay and subjective opinion, rather than any fact or legitimate analysis. I suppose there’s likely personal reasons for that. </p>
<p>However, if you look at exhaustive, reputable studies of academic quality by academics, such as the National Academy of Sciences surveys (sorry USNEWS and other dime store rags), most of Rutgers academic programs rank in the top 30 of both private and public universities. Many rank in the top 20, such as history, english, math, philosophy and physics, ahead of numerous elite schools mentioned here. In many cases, Rutgers programs outrank their counterparts at ivy schools, particularly among Dartmouth, Brown and the like, which don’t have strong grad programs. This isn’t to say the quality of students is better, because obviously Rutgers serves a far different mission: to educate the masses at the highest quality and most reasonable cost. As someone who attended Rutgers, I can tell you I met many students who could have gone ivy and would have if they could have afforded it, who were nonetheless pleasantly surprised and satisfied with Rutgers.
That said, I went on to grad school at Princeton and MIT and found most of the classes I took were no more challenging than what I saw at Rutgers. In fact if you look at Rutgers faculty, you will find most of the tenured profs were ivy track through their PhD. I would not agree Rutgers is on par with Berkeley or Mich, which have many programs in the top 5, but it certainly ranks in the mix with most ivies by most faculty and program qualitative measures, rather than criteria by your typical NJ Joe baggodonits who went to overrated private like BC or Syracuse.</p>
<p>How in the world is Indiana University a public ivy I will never understand. They have a good business school and a good music program. There school is full of three types of kids, type one from Indiana grew up idolizing Bobby Knight stuck thinking IU is great with amazing tradition because they have 5 banners hanging from the rafter at Assembly Hall(Like Basketball has anything to do with academics). Type 2- rich ahole from chicago who thinks the world revolves around them and type 3- rich east coast prep school student who also happens to be idiot and thinks they own the world despite getting rejected at every top business school on the East coast. In general, its an average school full of stuck up losers.</p>
<p>IU offers some of the best profs and facilities in the country. The departments in most liberal arts and languages are excellent. Add business, music and journalism too. The opportunity for a high quality in depth education is certainly there. Whether some students are uo to that really is another question. Any top student can get a top education at IU. You’ll probably get more attention from your profs than the average Ivy student too.</p>
<p>yay everyone in our school picked a public ivy as a safety then lol</p>
<p>Good for you.</p>
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<p>A Cornell student should know better than to mock other “public ivies” for being safeties. Because that is exactly how the top 25% of my high school (including me) regard your university. You can keep riding the coattails of the REAL (private) ivies. But at the end of the day, it must really stink to be left in the dust by so many NON-ivies (Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Chicago, Duke). </p>
<p>Good luck in the NCAA tournament, if you get there. At least now you’re the best ivy for something (basketball).</p>
<p>I mean the real FULLY private ivies.</p>
<p>Penn beat Cornell last week in basketball. </p>
<p>My kids have lots of friends at IU and both applied but chose other schools. They (and I when I went there) found the students very down to earth, friendly and nice. There is a “bottom” 25% who didn’t tend to be particularly good students, but many of them bounced out after freshman year. I didn’t grow up in Indiana, but I love Bobby Knight AND college basketball, and my interest in and knowledge of college basketball has served me well professionally, by the way.</p>
<p>Anyone remember Bobby Knight throwing a chair during the Purdue-Indiana game? Oh yeah. Purdue won. Boiler Up!</p>
<p>When the Cornell bashing starts, you know things are about to get serious.</p>
<p>lol nah meangirl can hav fun getting rejected by her “safety” school, Cornell’s always been my big reach so I’m happy with my choice </p>
<p>I was simply telling the truth, picking Rutgers as a safety school is pretty common among decent students in NJ, and I never intended to bash any public school, since I have never attended a single private school in my entire life, lol if you don’t like my comment just ignore it this is the internet people lmao</p>
<p>This bashing of Indiana U is ridiculous. I’m not from Indiana or Chicago and even I know its fine reputation in acadamia. Lots of bright students and great programs. And it’s been popular with out-of-staters (not all from Chicago) for years.</p>
<p>^^^^^ Its school of music is one of the most respected in the nation.</p>
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<p>If you’ve actually read any of my other posts, you’d have figured out that I am an HYP grad. But based on YOUR posts, I can tell that you probably couldn’t figure out much of anything. </p>
<p>I couldn’t care less about Rutgers. Personally, I think that its heavy investment in a mediocre football program at the expense of academics is foolish. Many Rutgers faculty would agree with me. </p>
<p>My point is that it’s highly ironic and arrogant for a Cornell student to ridicule Rutgers of all places, especially since the latter could’ve easily attained the coveted ivy affiliation over the former. Logically speaking, Cornell doesn’t make much more sense as an ivy than Rutgers does. </p>
<p>Cornell does not have any more historical links to the other ivies than Rutgers. Nor does it have any other (e.g. geographical) advantage. The fact that Cornell actually received an ivy invitation despite being founded at least a century later than any other ivy and being an inherently vocational school is a fortuitous (for Cornell) circumstance of magnanimous proportions. Cornell lucked into an ivy invitation over Rutgers and should show some gratitude instead of hubris. (In fact, there seems to exist an urban legend that Rutgers turned down the ivy invitation that later went to Cornell.)</p>
<p>At the end of the day, if Cornell was really your “reach” school, then you probably don’t want to brag about this to the entire (CC) world. Because most people in CC world know that Cornell is BY FAR the easiest ivy to get into. Out of curiousity, I’ve been browsing the Cornell forums (thanks to your inspiration) and it seems as if every other week, someone starts a thread questioning whether Cornell is a “real” ivy or if it’s not the “worst” ivy and so on. And you Cornellians fall over yourselves defending your school, which suggests that you know there’s at least some truth to those statements. Otherwise, why take such ■■■■■■■■ comments seriously? For example, check out this recent thread:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/857857-just-me-conrells-reputation-becoming-more-more-joke.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/857857-just-me-conrells-reputation-becoming-more-more-joke.html</a></p>
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<p>Technically speaking, you still don’t.</p>
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<p>Yes, this IS the internet, which is why I reserve the right to respond to any comment (or not). My mistake. It’s clear that your naive and unsophisticated comments are probably more worthy of being ignored. Seriously, your juvenile statements do not speak well for the intellectual capacity of Cornell students. It seems as if you have nothing whatsoever to contribute to any discussion other than an occasional “lol” or “lmao” here and there. You do your school a grave disservice just by demonstrating your ignorance in each of your every post. For the sake of Cornell, quit posting or at least try to say something less stupid.</p>
<p>I never intended to brag about the fact that I got into Cornell, I was just talking about a common phenomenon that I observed from my school, yes maybe that’s not true in other places and maybe I was wrong, but why do you need to be that serious? I never looked down on Rutgers since I also applied there and it has a lot of good departments (pharmacy, business maybe?) , i"m really sorry if I offended anyone~</p>
<p>I also never intended to be sophisticated, I’m sorry for being stupid in this forum, but isn’t this a place where people are free to express their thoughts? maybe my posts are childish and full of grammatical mistakes, in fact, my English sux because I’m a former ESL student. Yes I shouldn’t use that as an excuse, but there’s no need to stalk someone and attack someone on a personal level.</p>
<p>I apologize for trying to have some fun on an intellectual thread, maybe that was unnecessary, but I think you’re being a little ridiculous… I mean, looking over my previous posts, browsing the Cornell board and talking about my “intellectual capacity” just because a Cornell student said something negative (playfully too) about Rutgers? Why get so serious? I don’t care whether I got into the “private” Cornell (CAS, yea that’s where Im going next year) or the “public” one (CALS), and I don’t care whether you’re a HYP grad or not (that’s awesome), I just wish to enjoy this forum in my spare time and once again, yes maybe I was being immature for saying what Ive said, but that level of aggression is not needed</p>