<p>No jokes please.</p>
<p>I guess Don Imus wasn’t far off.</p>
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<p>That’s nothing. I’ve heard stories about a frat that branded their pledges.</p>
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<p>I can’t believe young ladies would do such a thing. This was more than just hazing, it was torture. I hope the law throws the book at them.</p>
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<p>I’m sure I’m going to get killed for saying this but torture? She could have walked away at any time.</p>
<p>Suspending the sorority and fraternity chapters is merely the usual slap on the wrist. Hazing and other barbaric acts will not stop until the colleges find the courage and the intelligence to take a stance against the idiots who continue to support the presence of such organizations on or near campus. </p>
<p>What is needed in this case is the immediate and irrevocable expulsion of the culprits as well as every member of this sorority who hold an official title. Those young people are simple irresponsible and atrociously dumb. School officials should know better and take full responsibility for the safety of their students. The kids have excuses; the adults have none except incompetence and laziness.</p>
<p>according to local news reports, immediate expulsion is already underway and the 6 girls are going to be tried and sentenced to 18 month prison terms if found guilty…</p>
<p>not sure, xiggi, if the rest of the executive board of this particular sorority is being held responsible as you mention…</p>
<p>the “atrociously dumb” part is what gets me; what were they thinking? there have been soooo many instances of arrests/rules against hazing across the country…to sacrifice their futures for this crap is just beyond my comprehension…</p>
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<p>Do we know how many cases are actually punished like this per year compared to how many cases take place per year? Because if it happens 1,000 times per year (for example) and the schools only crack down twenty or forty times out of that 1,000 then obviously it’s not much of a lesson and there’s no significant reason to stop.</p>
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<p>No idea about your question, jahaba, but many states, including NJ have laws against hazing…</p>
<p>and most, if not all, sororities are required by charter to explain and enforce these laws during the rush period…</p>
<p>I guess what I don’t understand is how 18-22 year olds don’t understand that there are laws NOT meant to be broken…I’m old…just don’t get it…</p>
<p>I also don’t understand how these same girls can claim that they are against hazing?</p>
<p>And, yes, it is torture. </p>
<p>And, we don’t know if those pledges felt that they could just “walk away.” One student is only speaking on the condition of anonymity. It won’t be hard for a prosecutor to suggest that the pledges feared leaving. The ability to walk away is not the litmus test for torture.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t be surprised if national HQ revokes their charter and it isn’t surprising they had a house on campus. </p>
<p>It may be considered torture to many of you however stuff like this could have been a tradition for many years. I know I may sound a bit severe but one reason you stick through pledgeship is to experience what your brothers/sisters had to face years ago. As we all should know, hazing in the Greek community back in the day was harsh. Maybe these pledges were the weakest in chapter history to be honest. </p>
<p>This is the first time I heard of this type of hazing actually occurring. Most hazings that are publicized are ones that deal with alcohol. Quite a strong batch of sorority sisters for sure</p>
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<p>I get what you’re saying.</p>
<p>Let’s say that, in New Jersey, 10,000 people rob banks every year. And out of that 10,000, only 90 of them are ever caught, arrested, and punished. That means that 9,990 bank robbers get to enjoy their stolen goods completely unmolested. For the kinds of people who are willing to break the law, this is pretty good odds. They probably won’t get caught and they get all sorts of perks out of doing it (money, drugs, hookers, etc.) That’s why merely increasing the severity of the penalty doesn’t really work on its own; unless you step up enforcement, there’s no way to persuade the kinds of people who would break the law that they shouldn’t since they’re pretty convinced that they won’t get caught.</p>
<p>I’m not saying that this is a correct or accurate way to view the world. These people might not even be right about how often hazing like this is punished. But unless people have a perception that the law will be consistently applied, then they’ll feel free to disrespect it. It’s the same thing with people who don’t check IDs at bars.</p>
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<p>That ties into it. If the college tolerates it for decades and all of a sudden starts passing new laws about it, then of course the students won’t take it seriously. It would be like some hardcore party school trying to ban all alcohol and parties overnight. They’ve spent eternity convincing kids that they’re allowed to do something and it’ll take more than a few years to convince them that it’s not allowed anymore.</p>
<p>Jahaba: bank robbers get $$, people who assault have an axe to grind, people who party hearty do it for any number of reasons…</p>
<p>why, though, would sorority girls use physical abuse during what is supposed to be a “bonding” experience???
my daughter is a soph involved in rush at a sorority in upstate NY as we speak…she is memorizing songs for this weekend; that is the extent of her “rush” practice…see what I mean?..and she complains about getting up early for rush practice…lol</p>
<p>when did physical abuse become part of a tradition for sorority? sounds more like a “gang” initiation…</p>
<p>right now on WNBCnews…sorority has been suspended; there are only 6 members of this chapter on campus…all are under arrest</p>
<p>I just don’t agree with the torture comment because the girl came back day after day knowing what was going to happen.</p>
<p>They come back because they are brainwashed that going to college means they have to pledge a sorority or fraternity to be accepted and succeed in college and in life. Nothing, repeat NOTHING, could be farther from the truth. The only purpose that frats and sororities have is a social convention: parties, immoral behavior, and feeling powerful over others with silly internal politics…</p>
<p>I can go through my neighborhood and pick out the frat boys and sorority girls. They never seem to grow up.</p>
<p>Sorry, I am not a Greek person. And yes, I know that parties go on in the dorms, and bad stuff happens all over campus, not just the frats and sororities. I am only saying these organizations are supposedly service related and they are mostly about socializing. </p>
<p>I am sure the Greek people will hammer me now.</p>
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<p>Why does the Barabaig tribe mutilate i’s’ young men’s foreheads? Why do the Luiseno Indians bury women in hot sand to celebrate puberty? It’s fairly common all over the world for rites of passage to be linked to physical ordeals / ritual scarification; that’s probably part of the reason why fraternities, sororities, street gangs, military units, etc. have hazing at all. The fact that everyone in the group went through the same ordeal builds intense solidarity; it creates a shared experience that no one else in the community can claim. When someone doesn’t go along, they can be ostracized as weak and cowardly. </p>
<p>For why these girls decided to do something like this to their fellow classmates, they just might be sadists. Hey, sometimes a criminal is just a criminal.</p>
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<p>Greek Life is all about socializing? Really?</p>
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<p>There are tons and tons of more philanthropies that Greek houses sponsor and raise money for charity. This is not the ONLY thing many Greeks do, they also go out into their local communities and help out. Any event that has a purpose to it such as Cancer research, there will always be a Greek organization that will be there. </p>
<p>Greeks many be known to socializing a lot but that’s not the ONLY thing we do. People like you look at fraternities and sororities as though we are party animals. We may have a lot of socials and parties but that doesn’t mean we are party animals. Most “frat” guys and sorority guys may be easy to spot but not every “frat” guy pops their collars or wears polos everyday. GDIs like you just make the image of the Greek community worse. I personally wasn’t interested in fraternities during my first few weeks at school however the brothers I have right now are the best I can ever ask for.</p>
<p>Hazing behavior is bullying. Plain and simple. It is subjugation. It is a demonstration of power over another human being. If the group involved needs a bonding experience in order to develop a sense of solidarity, there are less primitive ways to go about it. Groups of people often draw together when the have a common experience with adversity–as Jahaba articulated. How about working together in solidarity to overcome a shared obstacle, such as helping to rebuild a children’s community in Haiti?</p>
<p>I’m sorry to say this to the outraged parents of CC, but most frats I know of have much worse initiations than paddling. Paddling is basically a “joke” aspect of initiation to pay homage to Animal House or whatever, and rarely are there any resulting medical complications.</p>