San Diego State and UC Santa Barbara

<p>Hey,</p>

<p>I’m currently going to be a senior in a NY public school and I’m looking to head over to California for college and probably the rest of my life. SDSU and UCSB are the two schools that I’m really thinking about (if I can get into them). I currently have a 3.6 uw GPA and a 4.1 w GPA, but i’m sure my out of state weighted GPA won’t matter at all! Woohoo! I received an 1150 on the SAT (math/cr). However, I plan on taking it 1 or 2 more times. I have a few questions about both schools.</p>

<li><p>Since I’m an out of state student, how hard will it be for me to get into either. I know the percent of out of state students is about 6% for both, but that’s because a lot more in state students apply. I know SDSU has that calculation they do with your SAT score and GPA. Does anyone know what the average score is for that for out of state students?</p></li>
<li><p>I hear that SDSU is a big commuter school, but also a big party school. Are most of the parties off campus or on campus? How many students live on campus?</p></li>
<li><p>Is the stadium usually packed for SDSU football and basketball games?</p></li>
<li><p>Does SDSU or UCSB offer pre-law as a major?</p></li>
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<p>My last question is more of a general college/grad school question. I’m currently planning on attending law school after college, so does it matter what I major in? Will it matter much what college I go to or does it matter more of what I get on the LSAT?</p>

<p>Thank you all in advance!</p>

<p>Well, UCSB will be harder to get into.</p>

<p>pre-Law is a terrible major for law school....</p>

<p>The eligiblity index link for SDSU I gave you earlier applies to instate and out of state, so the average score is the same. The 6% reflects how many out of state students are enrolled - it is not an admissions %.</p>

<p>So in reality, it shouldn't matter much if you are out of state? Since don't they just take everyone's scores and admit the highest ones? However I did read this on the SDSU website: </p>

<p>"Applicants in SDSU's service area who are California residents and have the minimum CSU eligibility index of 2900 and will complete the pattern of college preparatory curriculum will be admitted."</p>

<p>Does that mean these students will come first over the out-of-state students?</p>

<p>TriForces: Why is it a terrible major for law school? What do you consider a good major for law school? My top major choice so far is business admin anyway.</p>

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1. Since I'm an out of state student, how hard will it be for me to get into either. I know the percent of out of state students is about 6% for both, but that's because a lot more in state students apply. I know SDSU has that calculation they do with your SAT score and GPA. Does anyone know what the average score is for that for out of state students?

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SDSU is one of the more popular California State Universities, and even within San Diego County they favor applicants from the southern part of the county. Lower scoring applicants from the northern part of the county are deferred to Cal State San Marcos. All in all, UCSB would be the more difficult school to get into, because students must meet the higher standards of the UC System.</p>

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2. I hear that SDSU is a big commuter school, but also a big party school. Are most of the parties off campus or on campus? How many students live on campus?

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SDSU is a huge school, with lots of students living in nearby school dorms, private dorms, mini-dorms, apartments and fraternity & sorority houses. There are plenty of commuters as well, enough to fill several large parking lots and multi-story parking structures, in addition to the commuters who ride in on the San Diego trolley. Most UCSB students live in apartments in Isla Vista which is just north of campus. Many students from the local community college also live in Isla Vista, which increases the party school atmosphere.</p>

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3. Is the stadium usually packed for SDSU football and basketball games?

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The football stadium isn't typically packed, but there are still a lot of people there because it is a huge stadium very near the campus. (same stadium used by the San Diego Chargers) For basketball SDSU plays in the new Cox Arena, which is very nice. There are always plenty of seats for students, and it is located right across the street from several dorms and fraternity houses. UCSB doesn't offer the Div I football like SDSU, but they do have a pretty good basketball team.</p>

<p>Thank you very much for those answers UCLA Band Mom</p>

<p>Your GPA looks ok for UCSB, but your test scores look low: </p>

<p><a href="http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/ucsb_chart.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/ucsb_chart.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Having taken lots of advanced courses (as indicated by your weighted / unweighted differential) will help you, as UC considers that quite important. Make it clear in your ap. </p>

<p>UCSB is considered a premier party school with an excellent beach location. It also has some outstanding faculty. In fact, it may stand alone in its devotion to quality in each respect. If the pounding in your head permits it, you may hear some interesting stuff in those morning lecture classes. </p>

<p>To go to a good law school, all you need is a high LSAT, a high GPA, and some decent recs. Consider majoring in something that will help you think and express yourself clearly, or in a field that interests you for later legal practice. Law school is tedious, anyway, so don't try to extend it to seven years instead of three.</p>

<p>So in reality, it shouldn't matter much if you are out of state? Since don't they just take everyone's scores and admit the highest ones?>>></p>

<p>SDSU has been getting more and more competitive each year. In terms of admissions priority, all students who live in SDSU's "service area" (which is south of a particular high way in San Diego) get first priority, then other California high school students, and transfers from California Community College. Out of state residents are low men on the totem pole in terms of admissions.</p>

<p>By the way, SDSU is one of the Cal States that DOES consider test scores for all applicants. So, it is incorrect to say they are not considered. </p>

<p>One very important thing to know about SDSU is that many majors are impacted, meaning that the admissions standards for those programs will be higher than for non-impacted programs. Additionally, due to SDSU's growth and recent budget cuts, there is no guarantee of graduating within four years or getting into the classes you want. It's a bargain for in-state residents, not so much for out of state students who pay much higher tuition.</p>

<p>Admissions at SDSU is strictly by the numbers --- GPA and test scores only. They will not use your school GPA, they will use what is called a UC/CSU GPA, which is based only on your grades in what are called A-G subjects taken in 10th and 11th grade. You can get up to 8 semesters of weighted credit. So, the actual GPA that will be used in admissions for you may be lower or higher than what your school GPA is.</p>

<p>All of the UC's use the same GPA determination. However, for out of state students, the GPA required to be eligible for admissions consideration is 3.4. Again, only 8 semesters of AP/honors credit can be weighted in the GPA. The UC's will use a combination of SAT score (from a single sitting) and, unlike the Cal States, also require TWO Subject Tests -- you don't mention your subject tests, so we can't really say if you are eligible. I would suggest you go to these two sites and read up on the requirements for out of state admissions:</p>

<p>UC</a> PATHWAYS</p>

<p>[url=<a href="http://www.csumentor.edu%5DCSUMentor%5B/url"&gt;http://www.csumentor.edu]CSUMentor[/url&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p>

<p>Like the Cal States, the UC's give priority to California State residents. It is tougher for out of state students, and, in general, they will have higher test scores than the overall university requirements.</p>

<p>You didn't mention needing financial aid, but you should be aware that financial aid for out of state students is limited at both the UCs and the Cal States. Costs at both will be significantly higher than what residents pay --- in the case of the UC's, you'll be paying over $40,000 a year. A lot of out of state students think that after they've gone to school at a UC or Cal State for a year they can pay resident tuition, but it is almost impossible to be declared a resident once you have enrolled. For instance, you will have to prove that you have a source of income of your own to pay for your schooling --- parents or grandparents can't be giving you help, and your parents can not have claimed you as a dependent on their taxes for two years.</p>

<p>There are a number of excellent private colleges you also may to consider if you are committed to coming to California for college -- such as the University of San Diego (which, by the way, is great for pre-law students), Santa Clara U, the University of Redlands, Loyola Marymount, University of San Francisco, University of Southern California, Pepperdine, Occidental, and the Claremont Colleges.</p>

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<li>Usually not for football, SDSU's team sucks (I can say this, parents are alums and we've had season tix), I've heard basketball isn't half bad.</li>
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<p>Yea, I'm really looking to improve my test scores the next time around. I didn't study the first time, so I'm really looking to improve after studying.</p>

<p>Also, I'm not sure that my weighted GPA will matter since they were from honors classes and not AP classes. I'm trying to figure out my exact UC and CSU GPA in this thread <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/552610-help-needed-calculating-my-csu-uc-gpa.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/552610-help-needed-calculating-my-csu-uc-gpa.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Help would be great!</p>

<p>Again, don't forget you need TWO SAT Subject exams, as well as the SAT, in order to apply to the UC's. </p>

<p>UC Applications are accepted between November 1 and November 30. For SDSU, the deadline for applying is also November 30 (the Cal States open their application on October 1 - the earlier you can get it in, the better).</p>

<p>If you're applying this year, the last test SAT test date for the UC's is the December test date - be sure to say where you want your scores sent when you register. That means you have three more test dates to get your SAT scores up a bit, and take the Subject exams if you haven't already taken them.</p>

<p>In addition to UCSB, you might want to check out UC Santa Cruz, which is a beautiful campus right near the ocean as well, and somewhat less competitive than UCSB. You might also want to check out some of the less competitive Cal States. Since it sounds like you want to be near the beach, you might take a look at Humboldt State and Cal State Monterey Bay as back ups. Plus, do check out the private schools I mentioned. Most are eager to recruit students from out of state, so if your priority is going to school in California, they'd be work looking into. </p>

<p>I responded to your question about the UC/CSU GPA in your other thread. I'd suggest taking your grades and going to the CSU mentor site -- they have a GPA calculator there that will do the trick for you. But, remember: only grades in A-G subjects taken in 10th and 11th will count. Courses like Business law, video technology, and sports marketing will almost certainly not be counted by the UC's or CSU's towards your UC/CSU GPA.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Carolyn -- Humboldt State is NOT going to provide the atmosphere the OP is looking for if he wants to go to SDSU or UCSB.</p>

<p>Depends on what his priorities are -- if he's looking for big time sports, then you're right. If he's looking to be near the beach or has a particular image of life in California, then Humboldt may be worth considering. So, it never hurts to suggest, and let kids look at different options.</p>

<p>Carolyn, wouldn't USC cost a lot more than going to SDSU or UCSB?</p>

<p>What GPA system does USC use? Do you think I would get into USC? I've also heard the area around USC is terrible.</p>

<p>You would be eligible for Federal aid (Subs and unsubs loans, Pell grant, Federal work/study) at both private and public schools.</p>

<p>The difference with USC and the UCs is that USC is private and so will offer financial aid (university grants) to out of state students (up to university-determined need based on the FAFSA + CSS/Profile). The UC and CSU reserve most of their aid for in-state students. Have you figured your EFC yet?</p>

<p>If you are not relying on financial aid and plan to pay full price, USC's estimated cost of attendance this year was about $50,000 while the UCs cost of attendance for out of state students was about $45,000 - $47,000.</p>

<p>USC uses unweighted GPA.</p>