San Diego State or UC Riverside

<p>Well SDSU has the fifth best pass rate on the CPA exam and they offer classes geared toward completing your CFP (certification in financial planning)...both the CFP and CPA in my personal opinion are more valuable than the name of your degree, unless it's something with the prestige of a Harvard etc. My cousin is the head of international investment banking for a bulge bracket firm. He told me the name of your degree isn't all that important, as long as you show leadership qualities like (starting an investment club at your school), getting a key internship and said it's important to gain a certification in a particular business field. But back to your question, If you go to Merill Lynch's San Diego website and look at the top management you'll notice many of them graduated from SDSU. Without a doubt, SDSU has better business connections in the San Diego area, than persay, UCSD. If you want to live in San Diego and are interested in business, SDSU is definitely a great choice. If you'd like to go to grad school later, SDSU is a great school to get a job right out of college (and relatively easy to get good grades), and then if you own the GMAT, and have the work experience, you can practically go to any grad school you'd like, plus you'll actually have enjoyed the four years spent their. It's a laid back and very social atmosphere.</p>

<p>Thanks for the information savedbythebell7....</p>

<p>UCSB and SDSU are my favorite schools so if I don't get into UCSB than SDSU will be my top choice. I'm glad to hear they are good in finance and accounting (my intended majors, not sure which one yet), and getting a great job in San Diego or getting into a good grad school should be easy. Again thanks for the advice...</p>

<p>SDSU is has a great business school, i dont doubt that. But it is, just like cal state fullerton, a regional school with its region extending from phoenix to san diego. You have already pointed this out saved by the bell that it is san diego companies such as brandeis, qualcomm etc etc that recruit from sdsu. You still dont seem to understand that ag edwards does not recruit for its investment banking divsion anywhere close to san diego. They only recruit financial representatives. I cannot state how big the difference is between these two lines of work.</p>

<p>hey, thanks for trying to make me sound ignorant of ibanking with your oh so subtle remarks. And by "grunt work" i meant serving coffee and making xeroxes, which you certaintly WON'T be doing as an ibanking intern. I'm talking about making pitchbooks, excel etc... Now, you can construe that as "grunt work" but that is what first year analysts do.</p>

<p>Honestly, i lvoe that you get all butt hurt when something negative is said about your school. I think you need to get a grip on the fact that your school isn't the greatest, nor is it the worst. I think its great for a career in San Diego or if you want to become a CPA, but to pass up Berkeley or UCLA for SDSU would be a bad decision unless you are concerned about finances.</p>

<p>Now back to the topic, UCR vs SDSU. I think it really depends on what the person is looking for in a school. The business rankings are similiar, albeit SDSU has a huge advantage if one wants to work in SD but they both carry the same weight in prestige. For accounting, i would probably go to SDSU as it seems liek the classes are geared toward passing the CPA test and it actually has the accounting major, while UCR only has a concentration. However, UCR does get recruited by 3 of the big four firms, which does say something. To be honest, I know nothing of the atmosphere or area of SDSU because frankly i've never been there. However, i do know much about UCR after 2 years of schooling and i know that the area around UCR is terrible and the climate is horrible unless you enjoy desert heat.</p>

<p>i know people that have passed up berkley and ucla for cal state fullerton. Its all about a persons preference, life situations and MONEY.</p>

<p>I passed up Berkeley, I don't think it will hold that dire of consequenses in the course of my life. Plus I would have had to get like a 3.8 at UC Berkeley to even get into HAAS, I try not to let schooling interfere with my education that much (aka I enjoy having a life outside of studying).</p>

<p>Don't get me wrong if I was your typical above average high school performer and wanted to be an investment banker, I probably would not go to SDSU. I would probably go to Manhattan College and transfer to an ivy league. SDSU in my opinion is only viewed as a good business school, mainly in the southwest and a few international locations. But honestly who doesn't want to live on the west coast.</p>

<p>PS GO USA!! I cant believe Ghana killed the Czech's.</p>

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<p>Riverside is not that bad (and improving), and the heat is only really bad in the summertime. For most of the year, it's pretty good. It can be hot during the beginning and end of the school year, but most of the year is pretty good.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.weather.com/outlook/recreation/outdoors/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USCA0949?from=search%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.weather.com/outlook/recreation/outdoors/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USCA0949?from=search&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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I passed up Berkeley, I don't think it will hold that dire of consequenses in the course of my life. Plus I would have had to get like a 3.8 at UC Berkeley to even get into HAAS, I try not to let schooling interfere with my education that much (aka I enjoy having a life outside of studying).

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<p>No need to spread false information, c'mon. And some pre-bus majors doing very well are some of the wildest I know. Granted, I don't know that many wild people, but on the weekends, these kids are just like everyone else.</p>

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Average GPA 3.64
Middle 80% GPA Range 3.40–3.89

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<p><a href="http://www.haas.berkeley.edu/Undergrad/statsucb.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.haas.berkeley.edu/Undergrad/statsucb.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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PS GO USA!! I cant believe Ghana killed the Czech's.

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<p>CURSE THE BLOODY REF WHO WAS ALREADY PUNISHED FOR PREVIOUS TERRIBLE REFFING. BLAH. At least they have a point. And didn't lose. GO ITALY vs. the Czechs and go USA over Ghana.</p>

<p>I've been too a few rather crazy Berkeley parties at some frats, but the atmosphere at the school seems nothing like SDSU. A 3.6 from UCB is mighty tough i'd imagine and it was in my backyard, UCLA rejected me :(. On a sidenote: I'm pretty happy they tied with two men down, that REF was ridiculous.</p>

<p>Well i got rescinded from san diego state so my other options were ucr, cal state la, or community college and thats a no brainer so i guess im going after all to uc riverside.</p>

<p>Yeah, Berkeley has its share of crazy frat parties, and even crazier (in a weirder vein) co-op parties, but, I don't know what the atmosphere at SDSU is like- I've never been.</p>

<p>i visited berkeley and its kinda weird there. Locster im sorry to hear you got rescinded, make the most of UCR and im sure you'll have a good time. =)</p>

<p>since this thread is on a riverside board it would appear that school loyalty has clouded some facts.</p>

<p>first, riverside has no undergraduate college of business, merely an interdisciplinary program with other elements of the university that leads to a "general business" degree. by comparison, san diego state has nine different degree programs in the largest college of business in the state. simply put, there is absolutely no comparison between the two programs. check the curricular offerings between the two for further evidence.</p>

<p>second, the two programs are much closer together at the graduate level. the riverside anderson school has produced some rather significant research and graduates. though less published, san diego's program is larger and once again with far more graduate degree programs. here i would give san diego state a slight edge.</p>

<p>perhaps there is some confusion here about the quality of a university and the quality of a particular academic unit. riverside overall is close by comparison to san diego state, though it gets whacked a lot since it ranks among the lowest in the UC system. but it still is in one of the finest state university systems in the world.</p>

<p>there also has been some discussion here about san diego state and cal poly business. both cal poly campuses have outstanding colleges of business, with the SLO campus sadly capped in enrollment by its administration. even here i would give san diego state a slight edge over these two programs based on size, breadth, and quality of programs.</p>

<p>actually fullerton is the largest accredited biz school in the state. And actually the schools are quite different at the grad level since ucr seems to be focused on bringing in internationals for the money leaving a small alumni class and barely decent facilities. SLO has more people accepted into big 4 accounting firms as well as several getting analyst jobs at investment banks along with more being hired by northern california investment groups. What does pomona have, not much really in terms of recruiting. Are they all good, yes, great, maybe, different obviously.</p>

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first, riverside has no undergraduate college of business, merely an interdisciplinary program with other elements of the university that leads to a "general business" degree. by comparison, san diego state has nine different degree programs in the largest college of business in the state. simply put, there is absolutely no comparison between the two programs. check the curricular offerings between the two for further evidence.

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<p>That it's not it's own "college" seems primarily administrative in nature. Berkeley doesn't have it's own college- the program is part of the Haas business school. Does that lessen its quality?</p>

<p>southpas, you are correct. fullerton has more undergraduate students than san diego, but san diego has more total grad students, 687-610. but what does pomona have in terms of recruiting...not much? on what evidence do you base this view? please cite your placement data.</p>

<p>that it's not it's own college seems primarily administrative in nature. really? a committee of six run the riverside business program, three professors of management and one each from sociology, political science and management. thus, half of the directors of the program come not from business but the humanities. nice idea if you like theories of marxism more than learning directly from a CPA who also has a Ph.D. in accounting.</p>

<p>and since you want to compare to berkeley, try this one on for size: the dollars invested at haas per faculty member exceeds 577K, compared to a tiny 147K at riverside. and that by the way is even 21K less than pomona and 75K--or almost SEVENTY per cent--less than san diego state.</p>

<p>sounds like riverside is really investing its assets into business, doesn't it?</p>

<p>correction, the oversight committee at UCR has one each in soc, pol sci and econ.</p>

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a committee of six run the riverside business program, three professors of management and one each from sociology, political science and management. thus, half of the directors of the program come not from business but the humanities. nice idea if you like theories of marxism more than learning directly from a CPA who also has a Ph.D. in accounting.

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<p>Nice try if you don't even know which disciplines fall into which general subject areas. Sociology, political science and economics are pretty much exclusively referred to as being social sciences. In addition, I can only imagine a good business program teaching its students the importance of economics and economic theory and the basics of political science and how it relates to economics and business.</p>

<p>Again, this really doesn't make me think of having its own college vs a program as being primarily administrative.</p>

<p>every program has required foundational courses in economics. the point is not the merits of foundational coursework, it's riverside's lack of coursework that immediately make its undergraduate alumni competitive in the marketplace.</p>

<p>SavedbytheBell, "80% of business is done on the golf course"? It's a romantic, yet misguided view about what life holds in store for the average undergrad business graduate. But truely, if your father is in such a position and you are able to inherit his work, you're set. Where one goes to college is absolutely irrelevant if they'll just going to be entering a postion in the family business that requires little more than charisma and a bright smile. </p>

<p>From the last 2 years of interning at a bank (starting at the beginning of my junior in high school), I've met a great deal of small business owners in San Diego, including the CEO of Souplantation who's corporate headquarters is located on the same street as my bank. The ones that truely win our respect are simply hard workers. Ranging from small Law School owners to indepedent plumbers, all will tell you that nothing in life is a hand out. None shy from enjoying their riches but all will testify that there's is nothing more endearing in life than the spirit of a hard working citizen. And unfortunately, that's where there is a fork in the road for many of today's business students. Some kids have just never faced the challenge of a real day's work or seen the people who gives their life to their job and receive so little in return. Despite ethics being stressed in business schools across the country, most people will take the first opportunity presented to make a quick profit rather than digging down and sweating to excavate a prize that is truely worthy of earning. </p>

<p>Just knowing people may get you a head start where you could build your nest, but if you lack the skills to build it, you'll be evicted. Other than the case of your parents or an extremely loyal friend, just knowing someone does not mean they'll take care of you. </p>

<p>I had my qualms in choosing UCR over SDSU. In the fall, most of my friends will be starting college at SDSU (some for business) while I'm just about the only one headed to Riverside. </p>

<p>I would like to stress how important the humanities courses offered by the UCs are in becoming a fully fledged citizen of our republic. I've not even been to orientation yet and even before high school ended, I received my summer assignment for the SUHP at UCR. The assignment was not much: simply to read two books and compose two reflections. But yet, even before stepping foot into one college class, UCR has already impressed me because the assignments assigned truely made me think. Forgive me, but I like to think. For the people that judge the CSUs to be have the business education, well, I'm sure their appetites in life rest in other areas. </p>

<p>CSUs, even the likes of Fresno or Humbolt, may offer an attractive array of courses dealing in the field of business and a real specifc degree designed for the pupil's success in their certain field of study. But think of the fine humanities courses that you will have surrendered. More importantly, the insights about us or those who surround us. Don't misunderstand me. I do not imply to philosophying about life because I still consider that notion to be a worthless one. What I do mean are the tiny stepping stones that you will steadily climb in becoming a conscientious individual capable of being involved in a greater realm of human interaction. </p>

<p>Having earned a degree from one college or another is not supposed to be a label. But it is generally accepted that the student advised at the university level has a easier time accessing the instruction that makes one a much more well rounded individual than one would at a CSU level. After you've been introduced to the firm and worked awhile, when the time comes, your BS in in Accountancy at SDSU may have served you admirably in helping you earn a certification. And that road eventually leads to your first home purchase and a steady income for the rest of your life. And quite simply, that's all that some people care about in life. </p>

<p>Others hunger for more. The mandatory undergrad UC humanity courses are designed to give us the knife and fork we need to fulfill our cravings. For me, the choice is quite clear that UCR is a better fit than SDSU. I've already posted before in this thread distinct advantages UCR has over State ("State" being the nickname many San Diegans use for SDSU). This time around, I just thought I'd take the time to post a more sterotypical UC student answer on this topic.</p>

<p>Walnuts, are you aware that the CSU also requires GE courses? In some ways, more GE courses are needed than at the UC. One of my friends at Davis has consistent overlap, where one course will cover three GE requirements. I feel like students miss out on important concepts when this happens. The GE's at Poly were numerous and extremely educational. In fact, every single one of my CSU courses has made me think, math and science included. They have stretched my mind to think critically, and for that I am grateful.</p>