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I just calculated that weighted by race, a [non-Mexican//Rican] Hispanic 2040 is more exceptional than an Asian 2400.
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<p>What about a Mexican?</p>
<p>Yea this is pretty bad. I'm actueally appalled at all the scores. The SAT is not a difficult test, i find it sad that the average is still low 500 for each subject.</p>
<p>Also im african american and i did well on the SAT and i know many other AA who did as well. But they are from immigrant families from africa, as is my family. I think this just shows that the scores ahve more to do with culture and socioeconomic background than race.</p>
<p>^ yup.</p>
<p>i know 3 black brothers who got above 2100 on sat and they are nigerians
all three went/go to harvard</p>
<p>supposedly african immigrants score higher than caucasians on average because they're wealthy and their parents teach a strong work ethic, but african americans are basically the lowest scoring group. same race, different cultures, different scores. race by itself doesn't seem to be a factor(and if someone were to prove that it is a factor, they'd be labeled racist anyway)</p>
<p>I understand the point you're making. But I also think it applies to all immigrants (not necessarily wealthy): Indians, Asians...</p>
<p>Even then there are limitations. I'm african and have some lazy african cousins who don't get obscenely high SAT scores because their parents dont push them or they find comfort in conforming to the stereotypical african-american.</p>
<p>that makes me feel slightly better about myself considering i'm hispanic and have an sat above 2000.</p>
<p>Cheer up, Sazari, the average on the SAT is supposed to be 500 on each part. It was originally constructed to have a mean of 500 and a standard deviation of 100, on each of the parts. If people suddenly started to do much better than that, the scores would probably be re-centered so that the mean returned to 500.
The scores were re-centered once in the early 90's, though not because the means had risen. CR scores had dropped considerably below 500, so the re-centering pushed them up. I think an "old" 740 is the "new" 800 on CR. Tokenadult can probably link to the full conversion tables. My recollection is that math scores dropped a bit at the top as a result of re-centering (thus giving the "miss 1, score a 770" phenomenon), but went up in most parts of the distribution.</p>
<p>Thanks, tokenadult, I knew you'd know the link. The tables show that the "old" 730 is the "new" 800 on CR. My recollection wasn't right about math scores--they went up at the top (though not as much as the CR scores did) and didn't start to drop until 710.</p>
<p>I think a lot of it might have to do with income. If you're parents don't have much money and you're working two jobs while your in high school, you're not going to have much time to study, regardless of your race. It's definitely not because one race is innately smarter than the other. For example, I'm Black and I scored 700+ points higher than an Asian friend. Still, it does seem odd that they're such a huge difference from the SATs. Maybe some people just focus more importance on standardized tests while others focus more on grades. I really don't know</p>
<p>WOW - it sucks to be asian...</p>
<p>I think schools just want diversity.</p>
<p>interesting</p>
<p>Do anyone publish the complete percentiles and number of students by race and gender. Not just the average score by race, but percentiles and actual numbers.</p>
<p>^ <a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/SAT-Percentile-Ranks-by-Gender-Ethnicity-2009.pdf[/url]”>Higher Education Professionals | College Board;
<p>This may be an old thread, but comparing the two data tables reveals some pretty scary things. The scariest is that African-American scores are trending down, not up, over the last 2 years. What is going on?</p>
<p>^ Indeed, that is alarming.</p>
<p>Some analysis:</p>
<p>Females’ performance in Critical Reading and Writing declined slightly, and their Math scores stayed the same, yielding an average total of 1496 (down from 1501).</p>
<p>Males’ performance in Critical Reading Writing declined slightly, and their Math scores went up slightly, yielding an average total of 1523 (down from 1526). </p>
<p>The gap between males’ and females’ average total scores increased from 25 to 27. </p>
<p>Asians’ average Math score jumped from 578 to 587. </p>
<p>587 on Math is above the 93rd percentile for African Americans. African Americans’ scores in every section dropped on average. Their average total went from 1287 to 1276.</p>
<p>Scores for Mexican Americans, Puerto Ricans, and other Latinos dropped in every category.</p>
<p>These are not good trends.</p>
<p>I really disagree with your statement about innate talents. In fact, what you said is entirely opposite from what Americans believe in. You know, hard work pays off, if you work hard you can succeed, that whole bit?</p>
<p>“African Americans’ scores in every section dropped on average. Their average total went from 1287 to 1276.”</p>
<p>silverturtle, where did you see total (composite?) scores by race? I’ve never seen that and extrapolating doesn’t seem quite right.</p>
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<p>WOW - it sucks to be asian…"</p>
<p>That’s an interesting take. on this…</p>
<p>Trends based on 2 data points mean basically nothing. Ever.</p>