<p>I read your post regarding the verbal part of the SAT, and I think you should know that one of the reasons the essay has been added is because not only is the college board trying to become more fair toward all they are also trying to get college bound students prepared to write. And, if you review the statistics you will find out that many many high school and college grads cannot write well.</p>
<p>Sorry, but its very hard to racist against foreign students. The race of "foreign students" doesn't exist.</p>
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<p>I believe you're correct. Has anyone ever suggested law school to you? ;)</p>
<p>[Korean] V520, M800 on second time
To me, English can be so deep... so many words I haven't seen, so many ways of interpretations. I doubt "SAT words" are used that often for most of times. (ie. I'd rather use 'harsh/mean' instead of 'acrimonious') So those subjects should be in college level courses. (like "English Vocab 101") Passages(CR) is good and demanding thinking, but some can be interpreted many ways, so I have problem deciding which one is the "problem's" answer. But other than little passages are about other races, I didn't find it discriminatory.</p>
<p>Math... in SAT is probably SO EASY compared to other countries college-entrance-level exams. (ex) South Korean, Japanese entrance exams REQUIRES calculus) I'm more than sure that the mathematical and logic skills vary a lot even in 800 groups. I suppose this is because of the national average of HS students. (I really don't get there can be questions on which males can do better than females, and vice versa)</p>
<p>To sum up, I can't say 'the foreign students' are advantageous. But we do get some advantages in entering colleges (right?). So the world isn't perfect, and neither is SAT. (But that can't be the reason for going against educational reforms)</p>
<p>I completely agree with stardragon. My friend who's a genius in English wouldn't score above 700.</p>
<p>who gives a s---.
if you want to go to american college, study your butt off and score well.
BTW, i'm a foreign student also.</p>
<p>American universities must take the best students, and sometimes they're not those high scorers. Keep in mind, that SAT is very biased nd academically wrong exam, and the reasons "want to Americam take SAT" don't exonerate its stupidity. American education is already old fashioned and can't satisfy the needs of modern society.</p>
<p>What is up with the term "racist" against foreign students? There is no such thing! Racist means biased against someone's race. Xenophobic is the word that means discriminating against foreigners. </p>
<p>Concerning the unusual fruit at the breakfast table - that is a completely subjective question. It doesn't matter whether Hawaiins eat pineapples each morning or not - the point is that the question cannot really have a "wrong" answer. What exactly is the definition of "normally"? What exactly constitues a "breakfast table" - clearly there is something wrong with a question like that. It is like asking: what is not "normally" in the refrigerator: defrosting frozen pizza, salad dressing, marinated chicken pieces, ice cubes or chocolate cake? I'd love to know the "correct" answer to that one!</p>
<p>I think that cultural differences can be mitigated by....reading. I am from texas, so my culture is very different from a new englander or californian...but that is ok. If you read than you should come into contact with various cultures and become familiar with their habits. WHen I first read Agatha Christie I kept wondering why they are going into the "garden" until I realized that was their word for backyard. The SAT is biased against provincial people, so with some reading, the SAT is no problem.</p>
<p>I call your bluff on the pineapple question. Which administration and what test form did it appear on? Was the form disclosed?</p>
<p>Wow, emotion emotion. You guys are truly...sad.</p>
<p>simple. if you wanna attend an american university you need to know english well. I know some recent imigrants that are studying there asses off and are now scoring better verbal than most americans do. Where there is a will, there is a way.
Example: After my sister lived in this country for only 2 yrs she scored a 720 verbal.</p>
<p>look people, stop complaining, buy a 25 dolllar sat book, and study it like a bible...</p>
<p>and don't reform the SAT until after I graduate, I don't give a crap what happens to it after that... heh</p>
<p>I think the original post is baloney. </p>
<p>By the way, what admissions procedures apply to students from the United States who desire to attend Canadian universities?</p>
<p>Fill out the form. That's it. The deadline for Ontario Universities has passed though; January 12th I believe? SAT Scores and all that numerical data, no need. I'd highly recommend the University of Toronto for engineering and medical studies and the University of Waterloo for computer science and mathematical studies.</p>
<p>I am tired of hearing the same SAT urban legends perpetuated. The rumored question about the pineapples and the breakfast table (and a similar one about the color of tomatoes) belongs in the same league as the legend of the guy who failed to get a 200 by spelling his name in a grid-in, and the myth that writing your name earns you 200 points. Now, going back to the issue of the pineapples (and incidentally, the tomatoes), nobody has offered any explanation of HOW this might be a SC or an analogy. Furthermore, I want to see the test date and form specified and verified by CB. No proponents of the myth have stepped forward to even begin doing this, thus leading me to suspect that the originator might be one of our resident board members...</p>
<p>Also, does no one realize how racist and stereotypical minority groups this myth is? The Hispanic one is especially bad because it assumes that their place is in the farms, picking fruits and vegetables. It ignores the multitude of Hispanics who rarely see a farm--who are waiters/waitresses, porters, janitors...oh yeah, and CEO's, doctors, and lawyers! But even the Hawaiian one is not much better. Do people really still (albeit subconsciously) envision Hawaiians running around the forest half-nude, climbing trees, and collecting pineapples? Most Hawaiians probably come as close to eating pineapples for breakfast as a New Yorker.</p>
<p>Icyfire said:</p>
<p>And as for the critical reading, I believe that most of it is complete bs. You're never going to have to dig so deep into a passage as you have to on sat crit reading passages.</p>
<p>No, if you go to a top school, you will have to dig much, much deeper! Good heavens, if people can't understand the simple critical reading passages on the SAT, how on earth are they going to read and understand real scholarly writing (not textbooks) in history, philosophy, political science, biology, etc?</p>
<p>And stardragon, if American education is so bad, why do so many foreign students want to go here? Hey, boats and planes go both ways!</p>
<p>Why is everyone so protective of the SAT? Do we know the people who write it, what is their background, race, creed, color, education? You can't find anything about them on the website. So it is interesting that people are so unwilling to accept that there might be some problems with the test. </p>
<p>Here is a question I have seen on IQ tests: promise!!</p>
<p>Why do we have prisons? </p>
<p>Tell me what you think the answer is, what it should be... You will be surprised</p>
<p>What IQ test? How did you get access to the item content on an IQ test? What do IQ tests have to do with the SAT I?</p>
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<p>We have prisons to rehabilitate people so they can become productive members of society.</p>
<p>And for the pineapple question, they won't ask something that straightforward. If it is part of a reading passage, yes they will ask it. Otherwise, it's not an analogy, it's not a fill in the blank, it's not something that would appear on the SAT.</p>
<p>I would have to side with kbrambleson and am "calling your bluff"</p>