<p>i agree with prism, they shouldn't be high reaches, the way your making it sound is that there is no way he's going to get in. And yeah you can agrue that schools now even don't always accept perfect applicants, but that is mainly because other applicants who are just a little less than perfect show that their different and get in.</p>
<p>We don't havre enough info. It's 0ne nthing for a disadvantaged white kid to volunteer in
India and a totally different tyhingt f9or ahn Indian going 9over to visit with family doing the same.</p>
<p>well not to sound really cunning and manipulative, but doesnt the way I present it matter?</p>
<p>I honestly don't have a good understanding about Rice admissions policies because of some of the decisions I am aware of where kids with higher stats were rejected over kids with much lower stats. Of course, I don't have the whole picture, since it is increasingly selective, you probably have a decent chance but no guarantee.</p>
<p>If you have a GPA like 3.5, you are going to need something godlike to elevate you, because many students with higher GPAs stand out amazingly.</p>
<p>I'd like to second what HImom said.</p>
<p>MANY of the top tier schools are incredibly difficult and are crapshoots for most people. I was in a "similar" situation to what you were describing, but what I found out is that GPA is very important.</p>
<p>I had a 2300 on my SAT (760 V, 800 M, 740 W), 800/800/790 SAT II (Math IIC, Chemistry, Physics), 8 AP's before I applied (Calc AB, Calc BC, Chem, Phys C Mech + EM, Bio, Comp Sci AB, US Hist; all 5's; 4 AP's were self study), 3.85 UW/4.4 W GPA, varsity football, and a few EC's all with leadership positions. I got rejected from MIT, Stanford, and Princeton. Waitlisted to Harvard and Yale.</p>
<p>To reiterate, GPA is very important. I only had a few B's and yet I was still rejected or waitlisted to these places. The other aspects of my application (AP's, SAT, SAT II, EC, essay, etc.) were all very strong and competitive. It's just that my GPA (and thus ranking) was slightly below par that, I think, dropped my competitiveness slighly, but just enough.</p>
<p>Kyt, please don't take offense, but I believe that you got rejected from those top-notch schools because you either wrote poor essays or because your teacher recs weren't very good, not because you had a few B's here and there.</p>
<p>2300 is really hard to get.
I think a very high degree of simply natural intelligence is needed to be able to get a 2300, regardless of how much you study.</p>
<p>At the schools Kyt applied to, getting rejected because of a few B's is not surprising. If you think about it, there were probably 10 kids with 4.0's ready to take his spot if he didn't get in. </p>
<p>At HYPSM , 3.7 will hurt. At other top colleges, (chicago, columbia, dartmouth, etc.) a 2300 will put you in the running with other applicants</p>
<p>Join the club. My GPA's 3.5ish unweighted but my SAT is in the 2100 range (I hope). :(</p>
<p>And I'm hoping for NYU Stern ED from the bottom of my heart....I WANT TO GO TO NYU STERN!!!! :cool:</p>
<p>'B's don't hurt directly, just indirectly. Adcoms don't say 'uh-oh, a B . . . ', it's just that if you have Bs, there are often a lot of other applicants that have perfect GPAs, and, as another poster said, can take your spot easily.</p>
<p>I think a lot of people that have responded to this are not reading that your GPA is 3.7 WEIGHTED, not unweighted. What is your unweighted GPA. How the weighting works at my school, if you're taking a difficult courseload, a 3.7 weighted is like a 3.0ish unweighted, which is terrible. If it's 3.0ish, pretty much no chance at a top 25 school. If it's 3.5ish, a school like Brown is very very unlikely, but you could apply to schools ranked like 15-25 and they'd be realistic reaches.</p>
<p>Yea its a 3.4-5 Unweighted</p>
<p>the weight is not that great now..</p>
<p>**as per the guy that said you need a lot of intelligence to get a 2300, well .. honestly, you don't:</p>
<p>lemme break it down:</p>
<p>Writing: I could get an 8 on the essay and 3-4 wrong and get around a 730</p>
<p>Math: I could get 1 wrong and still get a 800</p>
<p>CR: I could get 2-3 omit and get a 750+ </p>
<p>By doing enough practice tests, and studying diligently it's very much possible to recognize the patterns and get a 2300</p>
<p>**</p>
<p>Here's the list again, I DON'T plan on applying to HPYS (is there a 'm' in there?) Id honestly like to go to USC or just something off this list, (carnegie mellon?) :</p>
<p>11 Washington University in St. Louis
12 Northwestern University (IL)
13 Cornell University (NY)
13 Johns Hopkins University (MD)
15 Brown University (RI)
15 University of Chicago
17 Rice University (TX)
18 University of Notre Dame (IN)
18 Vanderbilt University (TN)
20 Emory University (GA)
20 University of California Berkeley*
22 Carnegie Mellon University (PA)
23 Georgetown University (DC)
23 University of Virginia*
25 Univ. of California Los Angeles*
25 University of Michigan Ann Arbor*
27 Tufts University (MA)
27 U. of North Carolina Chapel Hill*
27 Wake Forest University (NC)
30 Univ. of Southern California</p>
<p>I don't like it how your throwing up a list of the top 11-30 schools and asking for chances. I understand your want to go to a prestigious school, I do as well. However, fit is also very important. I would narrow it down to the top 5 or 6 that you really want to go to and go from there. </p>
<p>It also depends on what you want to do. Michigan would be the best choice on the list for Business. Johns Hopkins has a prestigious premed program I believe.</p>
<p>I would do some reasearch on your top schools and then we can give you some specific advice/chances.</p>
<p>On that note, (i'm no expert myself), but I wouldn't be too surprised if you got into any of the colleges on the list. For non ivy leagues schools, excellent test scores can <em>kind of</em> make up for a lower GPA. And your GPA isn't even as bad as mine. The exceptions would be brown, and maybe georgetown. A lot of them are reaches, but realistic ones.</p>
<p>Good luck</p>
<p>I understand that I am being a prestige whore, and a very dirty one at that. But understand, I have only visited a few campuses, I went to Rice (LOVED IT!), BU (ehh.. no), and a few others..I am in my very preliminary stages of choosing, and I would like a list of pretigious colleges and universities that might accept me.</p>
<p>I mean I dont want to work hard for the SAT and get a good score, and then not have it count for something, and even if I havent worked too hard for school, I have still worked my ass off several times when I could have taken easier classes, and I want that all to count for something</p>
<p>seriously u remind me of me, thats what i was thinking cuz i can get a 2100 easy but a 2300 will take work which i dont wanna sacrafice if i dont get into a good school; i could always get into UT hopefully all i need a 2100 and decent grades and a good EC and a good essay</p>
<p>I know EXACTLY what you mean, OP. </p>
<p>Whenever I'm doing all this work, I wonder if it will be for nothing.</p>
<p>But those that get into top colleges find them the best fit if they are the types of kids that either do well naturally, or want to excel, meaning they wouldn't see it as a wasted effort if they were rejected from every top colleges, but had worked for a 4.0uw/5.0w.</p>
<p>Anyway, do yourself a favor and work on those SATs. Even if you don't get into a top college, SATs like what you're predicting can get you some mad scholarships/raise eyebrows at some colleges, from what I've heard.</p>
<p>will do, will do, anyway this thread has scared the **** out of me lol, I thought I had atleast a 'match' chance @ USC, as my friend with a 1950 and a 3.9 weighted and the usual ECs got in</p>
<ul>
<li>he's having a blast</li>
</ul>
<p>I think you have somewhat of a shot at USC, but the average GPA for last class was 3.7uw.</p>
<p>Your SAT would be sky-hgih for USC if it was 2300+. The 75% on the SAT last year was around 1410/1600.</p>
<p>You're assertions on SATs are not exactly right. Scores depend on curves, but I know I got 1 question wrong on the math section both times I took it, and both times that was a 790, not an 800. I think you're being overly generous (BY FAR) on writing too...I got an 8 and 4 wrong once and 5 wrong I believe the other time and those were 670 and 680...not 730 lol. I'm not sure about verbal.</p>
<p>I'll assume you'll get a 2300. If you don't get a 2300, don't be under the impression that your chances are the same.</p>
<p>11 Washington University in St. Louis
12 Northwestern University (IL)
13 Cornell University (NY)
13 Johns Hopkins University (MD)
15 Brown University (RI)
15 University of Chicago
17 Rice University (TX)
18 University of Notre Dame (IN)
18 Vanderbilt University (TN)
20 Emory University (GA)
All schools right above here would be very big reaches RD, and realistic reaches for early decision.</p>
<p>20 University of California Berkeley*
Very big reach as GPA is a huge factor</p>
<p>22 Carnegie Mellon University (PA)
23 Georgetown University (DC)
Reach RD, Slight reach ED</p>
<p>23 University of Virginia*
Same as #s 11-20</p>
<p>25 Univ. of California Los Angeles*
Same as Berkeley</p>
<p>25 University of Michigan Ann Arbor*
Calculate your U of Michigan GPA (see the michigan board to find out how). If it's above 3.5, then it's a match, otherwise, it's a reach</p>
<p>27 Tufts University (MA)
Same as CMU and Georgetown</p>
<p>27 U. of North Carolina Chapel Hill*
27 Wake Forest University (NC)
Both reaches. </p>
<p>30 Univ. of Southern California
Slight reach/Good match- Pretty good chance at this one</p>