Scared for the future

I think the kids, and I use that term affectionately, who find something else or something theatre-related but not performing, that they love are the lucky ones. Too many go along this path with eyes focused on the performance prize and that simply isn’t going to happen for the majority. Even for those who are fortunate enough to book acting gigs early on, many will not be lucrative and/or worthwhile in the long run. The audition scene is a difficult and frustrating experience, particularly if you don’t have good representation.

@bookmama22 is spot on with her comments. Yes, grads can go on to do other things but it is often difficult for many to give up and start down a different path. When they find themselves still living in cramped living spaces with roommates in their 30s, it’s tough. Looking at the stats for AEA salaries and the tens of thousands of barely employed actors in NY and across the country can be very depressing. I don’t discourage anyone from pursuing theatre but I find it hard to actually encourage anyone either. I think what is important is for prospective students and parents to do the research so that they are well aware of what lies ahead. Even more importantly , to understand the importance of having a wide ranging skill set and of having the intellectual curiosity necessary to explore various options. Drive is a given. No one is going to hire a lazy actor.

@JenJenJenJen agreed that Mean Girls could be a big show. However, as Heathers the movie was a “parent” of Mean Girls the movie several years later, Heathers the Musical could also be considered a forerunner for Mean Girls the Musical. Heathers never made it to Broadway. However, with Tina Fey behind the musical as well, it definitely has good potential. And, maybe Heather was just too dark for Broadway?

Sometimes shows are created for the regional market rather than Bway. I have no idea what the creators of Heathers were planning, but I do know the show has been popular with schools/teen theaters - I’ve seen FB posts about a half a dozen productions over the last several months. In a similar vein- Disney put out Hunchback of Notre Dame w/o taking it to Bway - and Disney certainly has the pockets to have done a Bway run if they had wanted one

It’s a shame Hunchback didn’t transfer to Broadway - the show is absolutely gorgeous. As for Heathers, it IS quite dark. It did run off-Broadway but I don’t think it had broad enough appeal to have a successful fun on Broadway. Two of my kids saw it (and enjoyed it) off-Broadway. I’ve yet to see a regional or local run I’ve enjoyed much. It will be interesting to see what Tina Fey does with Mean Girls. It is certainly less dark (or at least the movie is less dark) than Heathers.

I know this is easy for me to say, because it isn’t my kid or my money, but… if your kid spends half of their time on MT and the other half on a backup plan, they really aren’t giving anything 100%.

I’ve never seen any evidence that kids who study MT in a BA program, or who are doing a double major, where they are taking some classes in non-theatre subjects have any less chance of success as those who do a MT degree in a conservatory setting where there is one focus and one focus only. It isn’t as simple as that.

I can’t imagine how having more skills in ANY area (arts related or not) could be a BAD thing…

The guy who wrote Heathers is a Drew Alum and he has updated the score and script and is allowing Drew to put on the new version this fall. It will be heading to London next so I bet Broadway is just around the corner.

The revised version of Heathers is being directed by a friend this weekend at Five Towns College in Dix Hills, NY. Dan was an original castmember of the show and is a huge talent.

If you’re in the area, go see it!

^^interesting. I’ll have to see it again!

@NewJeffCT Mean Girls has great music. Jeff Richmond (T.F’s spouse) does music for Kimmy Schmidt, he’s got the right tone, and the stageplay is funny and moves along at the right pace. And to the original point, it is loaded with female roles!

Wow.

I don’t know that I have anything new to add, as there are many good posts that share thoughts I might have written.

I wasn’t that scared when my kid went to college for this degree. It was always her passion and I never really thought twice about my kids following their interests. No college major is a guarantee a graduate will get a job in that major. The way I see it, my MT daughter went to college and got a college degree. She studied what interested her. I was confident she’d then pursue this field, but it would be OK if she didn’t, because many people in the work force are in jobs that don’t match their college major. To me, college is about becoming more educated and is not just about the major.

Nonetheless, my kid, who graduated from her BFA program 8 yeas ago, has worked entirely in music and theater since graduation and has supported herself, which was our expectation. We didn’t have our kids pay any of their loans. I have paid them. That was our gift to start them out with an education… But they wee not supported once they got their final degree.

In my experience (observing)…one important factor is DRIVE. In the original post, my concern was that the parent worried about their teen’s drive. I think drive really matters in lots of things but particularly in a field like theater/performing. I don’t think it is enough to hope you land something or to put all one’s eggs in the auditioning basket. I think one thing that has helped my kid is a relentless drive and not waiting to be cast in something. In fact, she rarely ever auditions. She doesn’t have time and she is always involved in a couple of projects. So, her life doesn’t remotely revolve around auditions. If you wait to be cast, you might be waiting a long time. If you want to perform, you have to find ways to make that happen. One way is to create your own work. Another is lots of networking as the more things you get involved in, the more people you meet and collaborate with and ask one another to get involved in their project, etc. Also, the more you are seen, people come to know your work and may ask you to be in their show, etc. All of those types of things have happened for my daughter.

Another key thing is to have a diversified skill set and not rely on just being in musicals. My kid did NOT have a back up plan in college. She was all-in for being a theater performer. However, she now has 3 simultaneous careers (and doesn’t do any survival jobs). Each career could keep her busy, but the nice thing is, if something is slow in one area, it might be busy in one of her other careers. It is a lot to juggle and she is ALWAYS working with very little down time. In her case, her three careers are: being a MT performer in musicals, being a singer/songwriter (non-MT genre), and being a MT writer/composer/lyricist. She did not train in the second or third careers. She just starting doing it in the latter yeas of college. She truly loves being a singer/songwriter and has done a lot in that area. She wrote her first musical as a project in her senior year of college (and was in it), because she wanted to challenge herself before graduating, but not intending to write other musicals. But that musical took off in the professional world and has led to commissions to write other musicals (which she is in), and so people pay her to write them. She does enjoy the creative process and seems to have a knack for it, even though she wasn’t trained in that. But what her second and third careers also allow is for her to perform a lot in NYC. She is either creating concerts of her original songs, or musicals of her original scores and then performs in these. It has kept her very busy and she even has tuned down some performing jobs.

I think it is difficult to make it in many fields. But yes, this is a particularly competitive field and unlike some other fields, there are some factors beyond one’s control, such as looks and type. A big difference is that jobs in this field are short term and so the person is basically always job hunting (though as I mentioned, my daughter continues to do work of her own creation too and so it not 100% relying on being cast. Other odd things come up, such as my daughter expected to play a great role in a favorite musical this fall in NYC and it has turned out that the funding did not come through and the show now is not happening. But luckily, she has plenty of other stuff to work on and will have to see after that.

I agree with some others that you have to believe in yourself and keep going. It is not a field for the faint of heart. I also think that the goal should not be Broadway or something too narrow. If you love theater or love performing, find ways to do those things and get involved in some capacity. The more things you enjoy, the more skills you have, and so on, helps. I don’t think auditioning alone is enough to have a life in the arts. It is too chancy to just rely on audition-based opportunities.

If is truly hard to make it in this field and earn a living doing it; no doubt about that. However, I have to say that my kid has numerous friends either from her own BFA program, who whom she knew in another capacity (like her summer theater camp) who are doing quite well in the field and have worked at the highest levels in it and they are still in their 20s. So, it is not impossible.

I was the original poster and you are right that drive is a concern of mine. I recently spoke to her and feel better that she recognizes that performing isn’t the only thing she can do with a BFA degree. She even mentioned doing some writing of lyrics with a musician friend this year. Not sure that will happen, but at least she’s thinking about other possibilities. Like you, I don’t want to support her financially after she graduates. I do know it’s hard for her to put herself out there as an introvert, but I’m hoping she can rise to the occasion when she has to.

I saw a post from a friend of a friend… it is sobering and exciting.

The actor hadn’t an acting job in over three years; was dropped by their agents, heard they needed to be “more ethnically offensive,” “less fat,” that they were “too friendly/eager for a Broadway musical.” but they kept going.

They are making their Broadway debut!! They struggled waiting tables, working front desks and announcing children’s dance competitions to finally be able to know that it was all worth it for them.

p.s. my original post was removed as it was a long quote… I forgot the rules :confused:

There’s a quote limit?

@bisouu ~ I quoted an entire paragraph… I guess that was too much.

That’s so strange as some people on here write several paragraphs

@bisouu ~ I copied something someone else posted on FB. You can write paragraphs and paragraphs as long as they are YOUR paragraphs.

Thank you @soozievt. Well said. I think a college education is first and foremost an education in resourcefulness and resiliency—2 subjects that, if mastered, will serve any college grad better and a lot longer than any technical class.

Drive is a must for a successful college career, and work career. Especially so in performing arts.