schools comparable to Fordham

Colleges and Universities A-Z Fordham University
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<p>The above text can be found at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_University%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_University&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>John Nash, (a beutiful mind) Studed at NYU.
So did a bunch of famous filmmakers</p>

<p>Once NYU begins filling more than 68% of students need the will surley rise in the rankings for U-grad, currently 37ish? Although my financial aid package from NYU was comparable to 'generous' schools' packages”<<<<<</p>

<p>Ok, I fought it, but I just couldn’t resist…</p>

<p>Firstly, Wikipedia is not a reliable source for factual information because anyone with a bias agenda can post incorrect information on it, as you may have heard on the news lately. I’ve never even heard of Philosophical Gourmet, and I’m minoring in philosophy, but the premise is the same as with Wikipedia, just because some arbitrary website claims something, it does not necessarily make it factual. As far as I’m concern, the only reliable source of information you posted are the links to the USNews web pages. As far as John Nash ever attending NYU, you might want to double check that, because as far as I know he only went to Carnegie Institute of Technology and Princeton, I don’t think NYU, regardless, that has no significance on the school's ranking.</p>

<p>I don’t dispute NYU’s higher recognition than Fordham with you, but I just want to make the point clear that because one college has a higher endowment than another that doesn’t necessarily make it better, and that’s probably what we may have here. NYU is without a doubt a great school, but its huge endowment plays a big role, much like all the other schools listed on the USNews list. In turn, its large donations may have something to do with the fact that NYU has over 50,000 matriculated students vs. Fordham’s 15,000. NYU is the largest real estate holder in NYC; so needless to say, they got money to pump into their propaganda machine, and spark an interest in many young impressionable minds out there. Schools are only as prestigious as their demand, and demand has nothing to do with quality, don’t forget that.</p>

<p>BTW – ironically, parts of the movie A Beautiful Mind, were filmed…you guessed it, at Fordham!</p>

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<p>The dude who played a beuitul mind hung out where john nashe studed (@ nyu). And I cited the sources that gave the info for the wikipedia article. But anyway, nobody outside of NY even knows what fordam is....I mean i LIVE In NYC and i didnt know it existed until my friend told me his brother goes there</p>

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<p>If you go back and read what you wrote, you said John Nash studied at NYU, not the dude who played him.</p>

<p>You not knowing of Fordham until your friend mentioned his brother is not indicative on the college's academic standing and/or reputation.</p>

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<p>"But anyway, nobody outside of NY even knows what fordam is....I mean i LIVE In NYC and i didnt know it existed until my friend told me his brother goes there"</p>

<p>Ok thats laughable and completely untrue. Family friends instantly recognized the law school when I mentioned Fordham, and although the law school is our flagship institution, that will certainly be changing in the next decade as Fordham moves into the top tier of national universities.</p>

<p>NYU had a stroke of good fortune in the 90s, but still remains a cold, impersonal, hipster cesspool.</p>

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<p>Fordham is a great school but quite frankly it still has quite a LONG way to go before it catches up to NYU. no doubt it is improving. While Fordham may only be know for its law program, NYU is very well recognized in many different fields. NYU has international name and very strong Alumni network from the arts to business. Stern, Tisch, Wagner are very big names. Other notable programs include Fine Arts, Philosophy, IR, Political science, mathematics(Courant),economics, psychology... And NYU's status as #1 for philosophy is widely held and the rankings are pretty accurate. Post in another forum, if you need to make sure. NYU rise to to the top in no stroke of luck, it has consistenly maintained or improved upon its standings in different departments. Notably Law and Business. Medical school is also getting better(Dentistry). Tisch school is by far the #1 school for drama in the world, with a very strong presence in the film industry. NYU has obviously done a very good("Dream School") job publicizing, Fordham needs to pump more money into public relations. People considering the top universities regularly have NYU as one of their pick, same cannot be said of Fordham. As for what NYU's postion was ten or 20 years ago in respect to other schools is history. And finally, BC and Georgetown may share in the jesuit traditions as Fordham but are far more superior when it comes to recruiting and recognition than Fordham. Fordham may be know in the NYC area, but its reach outside is comparable to state level university. When you think of New York, schools like Syracuse, NYU, Columbia, Cornell, Cooper Union come to mind, not Fordham. It is recognized for being the school that Donald Trump transferred out of to go to Wharton. Just imagine the possibilities if he had finished school here. I go to school around 25 mins away from Fordham and I heard of Fordham through a friend who is attending next year. Nonetheless, Fordham is a great school that offer lots of personal attention through a small student body and should improve if it continues in this manner. and Ramse, Fordham has an extremely long journey before it joins the top tier, more than a decade.</p>

<p>AND John Nash did not go to NYU, Greenspan surely did.</p>

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<p>For the most part NYU and Fordham are not comparable. Fordham may be comparable to other schools but not to the biggest private university in the US. schools like BU and others.</p>

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<p>NYU medical school is also very good and highly regarded, it is not just simply improving. One of the best Dentinstry programs in the US and top notch in other departments too. Very well regarded and respected/</p>

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<p>This conversation is pretty silly.</p>

<p>Both Fordham and NYU are great schools.</p>

<p>NYU, at the moment, is more prestigious.
Fordham really needs to get on the ball as far as PR goes.</p>

<p>But looking back:</p>

<p>When I told my dad I was thinking about applying to NYU, he said, "What? NYZoo?"
And he is extremely proud that I am going to Fordham.
This is because, like people have said, in the past, NYU was a NOTHING school.</p>

<p>NYU has done a lot: improved their programs immensely, got the PR rolling. Has a much larger endowment. Is more selective
But let's not be fooled.
NYU is a better school for many majors, but Fordham does not lag that far behind. To say it equates to a state school is just ignorant.</p>

<p>So...yeah.</p>

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<p>"This conversation is pretty silly.</p>

<p>Both Fordham and NYU are great schools.</p>

<p>NYU, at the moment, is more prestigious.
Fordham really needs to get on the ball as far as PR goes.</p>

<p>But looking back:</p>

<p>When I told my dad I was thinking about applying to NYU, he said, "What? NYZoo?"
And he is extremely proud that I am going to Fordham.
This is because, like people have said, in the past, NYU was a NOTHING school.</p>

<p>NYU has done a lot: improved their programs immensely, got the PR rolling. Has a much larger endowment. Is more selective
But let's not be fooled.
NYU is a better school for many majors, but Fordham does not lag that far behind. To say it equates to a state school is just ignorant.</p>

<p>So...yeah."
Sarit_Om, your dad must be old school, I never said Fordham was a bad school. I am happy for you too, it may be a great school for you, different people fit into different places. But people shouldn't live in the past, move foward. people who live on prior glory never move foward. As for the Zoo aspect, RH Fordham fits more to the description. Speaking of zoos, the Bronx zoo is very close. But its hard to find any diversity of animals, its practically all white.<br>
True PR has been rolling full speed for quite some time and it is doing an excellent job for NYU. Fordham PR just doesn't seem to shifting gear- given the fact that other schools like Hunter, Queens and the CUNY system overall are more well known in NYC. While NYU has a much larger endowment than Fordham, it also has a much larger student body than Fordham. I may have pushed the envelope a bit when I was comparing Fordham to State schools, but in terms of recognition and program quality Fordham lags way behind compared to NYU. The bad rankings speak for themselves. I don't know of any program at Fordham that is better than NYU, maybe theology or religion. NYU on the other hand is not just built on PR work, but the sucessful alumni and faculty. PR can only do so much. You may be ignorant, but Fordham is very far from even being compared to NYU. It just doesn't have the quality(Students, faculty, facilities...). Its the students that define a school, NYU is very selective and continues to increase in selectivity year after year with so many applicants. On the other hand, it is very easy to get into Fordham. Its hard not to get in. People with 1100's and 1200's get in with large grants and scholarship. Its the comparison of these schools that is silly. The difference between these schools is very well defined and large.</p>

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<p>Fordham is highly thought of in Jesuit circles...probably the #4 Jesuit behind Georgetown, BC, and Holy Cross. Certainly it's ahead of Fairfield. Fordham was a huge national sports power decades back...Vince Lombardi and the 7 Blocks of Granite, Frankie Frisch the Fordham Flash, etc. They kind of dropped the ball for a while, but seem to be coming back. You should be happy and proud to go to Fordham. And as opposed to NYU, at least it has a campus.</p>

<p>I went to BC, and there Fordham had our respect. It seemed like half of the BC philosophy dept. did their PhDs at Fordham back when I went there.</p>

<p>Also, for what it's worth, Fordham is mentioned in Hemingway's The Sun Also Rises...in the scene where they are out fishing, I believe.</p>

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<p>The basic point of this conversation is that money makes the world go round. NYU sacrifices personal attention for a brand name by being the size that it is. But I can't resist noting the fact that NYU's President, John Sexton, is a Fordham alum (3 degrees!), which flies directly in the face of the gross generalization that "[Fordham] just doesn't have the quality(Students, faculty, facilities...)." In fact, Fordham has graduated more university presidents than any other school in America. In terms of reputation it's not a question of if, but when for Fordham, which is bent on reclaiming its former glory and becoming a top 25 University.</p>

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<p>Some of these comments are disheartening. We live in Miami and a number of kids here want to go to college in NYC. Columbia and now also NYU are out of reach for most therefore many apply to Fordham, especially from the Catholic schools. It is certainly well known in our community. My daughter chose it over BU, Villanova and Northeastern. From what I have seen in US news rankings and Business week Fordham is very respectable, only a few notches
below BU in US News rankings. If I understand the Business week rankings correctly, the average starting salary for Fordham and NYU business graduates is the same, $52,000.
One interesting observation - although she got in EA and with a small (tiny) scholarship, Fordham did not "court" her at all after her acceptance letter compared to the other schools with almost daily mailings, phone calls, little gifts, etc. We got tons of mail from Fordham last summer and fall however. It seems like they spent a lot more on promotion to get students to apply rather than persuading them to actually attend.</p>

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<p>wow, thanks everyone
finally some people who make me actually feel PROUD about going to Fordham
<3</p>

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<p>pmsoccerpink you should feel proud, Fordham is in no way a bad school.<br>
"From what I have seen in US news rankings and Business week Fordham is very respectable, only a few notches
below BU in US News rankings. If I understand the Business week rankings correctly, the average starting salary for Fordham and NYU business graduates is the same, $52,000. "
I highly doubt the salary is accurate. CBA is not too great, doesn't compare with other top programs like Stern(NYU), Ross...
CBA is ranked 87 for biz school rankings(US NEWS) while BU is 40. As for overall Fordham is 68 and BU is 60. Schools like Stern, Ross, Haas are much much much much better than CBA.<br>
Business Week ranks the business program at 48, while BU is 30.
John Sexton is an awesome dean and Ramses it is not a "gross" generalization it is the reality. All my best wishes as Fordham goes to achieve their goals. Was Fordham ever top 25 school? What former glory? And lets end this debate, no point arguing over something that is already decided.</p>

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<p>Monkey:</p>

<p>Truly, it doesn't really matter. So please stop trying to prove to all the Fordham students that they are not as good as you, NYU students, etc.</p>

<p>You're obviously making a biased case: I haven't seen you acknowledge the reason that there is suicide prevention glass on the NYU library.</p>

<p>Hope you have a wonderful day, and bugger off.</p>

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<p>I had a pretty good day, thanks. Okay, I acknowledge that there is suicide prevention glass on the NYU library. These were isolated incidents. Surely, there are many more places to jump and kill yourself at NYU. I guess people preferred the the checkered floor of the library. While i'm on the topic MIT and Cornell among other schools also had isolated incidents of suicide on campus, so I would say NYU's in good company. </p>

<p>Lastly, my point was not to prove that Fordham is bad school. I just wanted to point out that the comparison with NYU doesn't make sense. Fordham should pick on schools its own size and status, thats all. and you have yourself a wonderful day too. :)</p>

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<p>george, you must be an NYU student, what in the world are you doing at the Fordham threads? With comments like: “Lastly, my point was not to prove that Fordham is bad school. I just wanted to point out that the comparison with NYU doesn't make sense. Fordham should pick on schools its own size and status, thats all”</p>

<p>It seems that you have resorted to belittle our school to feel better about yours. The topic of this thread is really directed at those students who are debating whether to attend Fordham and not as an open door for others to bring on the smug about their preferred colleges. I don’t think you will find any Fordham students at the NYU thread doing the same or from any other college for that matter. </p>

<p>You prefer NYU, and WE prefer Fordham. Lets just leave it at that! :-)</p>

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<p>agree with everything said above-- keep your opinions for the NYU forum.</p>

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<p>actually we are ranked as a Tier 1 school. Our peer schools are georgetown and BU, while our aspriant schools are Notre Dame and BC. This is straight from the Strategic Plan.</p>

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<p>AlexOCLC:
cool. out of curiousity, where can this be found?</p>