<p>I don't believe that the Strategic Plan can be "found" anywhere in its entirety. Its divided up into Divisionals. Orientation is part of the Student Affairs Division so I work within that part of the Plan. Also, since I am the VP of the LC student gov., I get to work with students regarding the student input into the Strategic Planning. Its something, though, that if you have a strong enough interest in you can email me at <a href="mailto:Orientlc@fordham.edu">Orientlc@fordham.edu</a> and we can get somebody who deals directly with the plan to get you some information on.</p>
<p>Fordham is a great school which is becoming increasingly more selective. No Fordham student should have a chip on her shoulder because it isn't as highly regarded as NYU. NYU's reputation has increased tremendously, mostly at the expense of undergraduate students (and not just because of NYU's skimpy financial aid packages). As Andrew Delblanco recently wrote in the New York Review (Colleges: An Endangered Species?, March 10, 2005), the modern research university has been systematically abandoning the teaching of undergraduates as part of their central mission. Delblanco specifically mentions NYU to illustrate his point:</p>
<p>New York University, which has lately made a big (and largely successful) push to join the academic front rank, employs "adjunct" facultypart-time teachers who are not candidates for tenureto teach 70 percent of its undergraduate courses. The fact that these scandalously underpaid teachers must carry the teaching burdennot just at NYU, but at many other institutionsspeaks not to their talent or dedication, but to the meagerness of the institution's commitment to the teaching mission. At exactly the time when the struggle to get into our leading universities has reached a point of "insane intensity" (James Fallows's apt phrase), undergraduate education has been reduced to a distinctly subsidiary activity.</p>
<p>nyu needs more funds(endowment) to put in the largest private university in the united States, hence for CAS they have to employ adjunct faculty. Stern and Tisch both have top faculty for undergrad and are considered amongst the finest schools in the world. NYU's rise to the top has been in a period of 5-7 years so it needs the endowment to increase at the same rate. which they are doing through a campaign to raise funds to $3-4 billion dollars. Fordham is a great school because of the personalized education it offers to its students in the jesuit tradition. NYU is a large university and many many of its programs are superior to Fordham. So i would suggest to pick ur school based on what u want to major in. many fields(business, economics, drama...) NYU is considerably better Fordham. certain fields Fordham might be a big better. definetely when it comes to sports, Fordham is better, NYU is division III.</p>
<p>The fact that Fordham CBA's salary measures up to Stern's is very accurate (to say its not is a very biased and unthoughtful comment since Businessweek will not make up the statistics and mustve done lots of research b4 coming up with the stats). For the business rankings, would you rather trust US News or Business Week, which is solely devoted for business. </p>
<p>Fordham is very well respected for accounting and the recruitment shows. According to Businessweek, in the past academic year, 36 students landed jobs with PriceWaterhouse Coopers (the biggest accounting firm), 18 with Ernst & Young, 17 with KMPG, and 5 with the Deloitte. That is a total of 76 with the Big 4 Accounting firms.</p>
<p>As for some other recruitment stats, 9 landed jobs with JP Morgan Chase, 3 with UBS, 5 with Morgan Stanley, and 3 with Citigroup.</p>
<p>When you add those numbers up, its a stunning stat considering Fordham doesn't have that many students when compared to schools like NYU and other big named schools like U Mich. </p>
<p>At Fordham, you are actually at an advantage when it comes to job recruitment because you are not competing with the smartest and the most qualified people. For example, many of the basketball players/ football players (not to say that they are stupid or anything but obviously they have different priorites) are in the CBA. Such is not the case at Stern, where there is a cut throat competion and you are competing with the smartest and the top of the crop. So in actuality, if you are smart and qualified and don't need the name of the school to get you the job, then Fordham is the perfect place. </p>
<p>Here at Fordham, you get personalized attention, get a quality education worth the cost, have an actual campus that is one of the prettiest in America (Check out the library if you every get a chance),make lasting friendships, and don't come across those who live just to compete and cut your throat. Here, people don't run over you if you're on the ground but take the time to hold their hand out and pick you up, b/c they know there are more important things than keeping yourself on the top and getting the 6 figure paycheck. And this is what ultimately matters at the end.</p>
<p>Oh yeah and as far as getting that paycheck goes, you can do the same at Fordham but in a more relaxed, less tensed, and friendlier environment. If youre smart and can do well anywhere, I'd say pick Fordham over any of the big named schools, because you wont be studying your ass off 24/7 and being all stressed out. You'll have your fun and you'll be sure to land a great job.</p>
<p>Utlimately it all comes down to your personality. If you are more laid back, like to get the job done but at your own pace, and not have constant stress, and do well in the future, then Fordham is the place for you. The reason why Fordham CBA kids gets the same salary as Stern's is because they are just as smart, both academically and socially. The reason why the SAT and average GPA don't reflect this is b/c NYU kids are a lot more driven, work harder, and are obsesively compulsed when it comes to being perfect..they are the ones who want that 100 on every test and a perfect SAT score. This does not mean that Fordham kids are more stupid...afterall, statandarized scores dont mean anything ultimately. Im sure these kids would do the same on a IQ Test as any other NYU student or Stern student for that matter. Most Fordham students are from very GOOD catholic schools and have very good academic foundation, particually in writing well, grammar, and are just more liberal arts oriented. Ultimately, in the long run they are just as good off as any other student from any other college.</p>
<p>If you like the cut throat competition, you think you have what it takes to be on top at a school like NYU Stern, then I say go after it by all means.</p>
<p>Oh and one more thing, Fordham's SAT avg is also affected by athletes, who do not have the best scores, lets face it. Those who go to NYU, or the business school Stern at least, are there solely for academics and are all there for the same reason....to land a job with biggest investment companies. At Fordham, you dont have that, so it relieves a lot of the competion.</p>
<p>I'm attending Fordham in the fall and I'm kind of worried about job placement... everyone says its super hard for liberal arts college students to get jobs. I'm planning on majoring in International Political Economy and Spanish, at the moment. Someone reassure me I'm not going to be unemployed! haha... but really.. I'm kind of scared... okay very scared...</p>
<p>The reason why I chose Fordham is pretty much what's been said here -- sometimes competition is good, but I can't live around it. I nearly drove myself crazy in high school. I know I'm capable of doing well without competition, and I'm so ready to prove that in college.</p>
<p>Dont worry, as long as you keep your GPA around a 3.5 and get an internship and do EC's (community service etc.), youll be fine. IPE is very well respected at Fordham, in fact IPE is one of the better programs at Fordham.</p>
<p>and really start prepping for interviews, cuz that is whatll get u the job ultimately, not the name of the school (some of the big companies ask you really tough questions and you need to answer them wisely). Log on to <a href="http://www.monstertrak.com%5B/url%5D">www.monstertrak.com</a> and make yourself an account. Also, get the 100 most frequently asked intervew Qs from this website...it's really helpful. Your 3.5 and EC's and all can only get you to an interview, but getting the job depends on your personality and how well you conduct yourself under pressure.</p>
<p>Good to know, thanks starbury! Lucky for me, I've been an editor on my school paper throughout HS (EIC senior year) and I have given more interviews than imagineable and while I know being interviewed for a job is different, I think the experiences have made me extremely comfortable in interview situations because I've been on both sides...</p>
<p>While I am, as an incoming frosh, whole-heartedly decided on IPE and Spanish, I'm sure I'll atleast be tempted to change my mind. Do you know what programs are respected at Fordham?</p>
<p>.. Oh and I totally thought my Social Studies teacher was joking when he said I should spend this summer in NYC with an internship (I'm from the Midwest). Maybe he wasn't. Hah... but still, I kind of hope I'm not blowing my future by relaxing the summer before college!</p>
<p>Oh not at all, most people don't get an internship until the summer before their junior year. Most companies (at least the big ones) don't like giving internships to freshmen, let alone recent high school graduates. So don't worry, relax while you can, and get serious once college starts.</p>
<p>Well, if you want to go into Law School later on, Fordham would be the perfect place. Fordham is one of the most respected law school in the country. Fordham's B school is also very well respected, particularly for Accounting. Businessweek just ranked Fordham's undergrad B-school as 48 and the Graduate Business School also ranks top 50 according to the Wall Street Journal.</p>
<p>Philiosophy, History, and Theology are also strengths of Fordham (the liberal arts education as a whole is what Fordham is really known for). Fordham gives you a very well rounded education....you have to take 2 history courses, 2 theology courses, 2 philopsophy courses, 3 english courses, two science courses, 1 fine arts, 1 mathematical reasoning course, Courses on American Pluralism and Global Studies, 2 social sciences, and a Senior Seminar in Values and Moral Choices just as your core liberal arts requirement!! And since you are going to be in Fordham College, you also have language requirements up to the advanced level (CBA kids dont have a language requirement but I guess it doesnt matter anyways to you since your concentration is going to be in a language anyways). So you can pretty much get a minor in whatever you want with just a few more courses since the core itself is so comprehensive.</p>
<p>If you have any other Q's, feel free to ask.</p>
<p>It's harder to get into NYU than Fordham but not by that much -- NYU is a good school for film but the other depts are kind of weak.</p>
<p>Um...that's not really true. The Stern School of Business of NYU is consistently ranked in the top 5 by U.S News, with Finance being ranked in the top 3. Their Applied Math program (Courant) is highly regarded, both graduate and undergraduate. In fact, they've been ranked #1 several times, and the faculty has won countless awards. Their Economics and Philosophy Department are also both highly regarded. </p>
<p>If you want to talk about graduate programs, U.S. news ranks Applied Mathematics #1, Law school #5, Steinhardt school of Education #15, Wagner school of public service #15, and the business school in the top 15.</p>
<p>You also stated Fordham is not too behind NYU in terms of selectivity. Here are the facts:</p>
<p>Fordham: Class</a> Profile</p>
<p>Middle 50% SAT score: 1200-1330
Acceptance rate: 42.1%</p>
<p>NYU: NYU</a> > Undergraduate Admissions > Explore NYU > Fast Facts
SAT Score Range (middle 50%): 1300 - 1440
Percent Offered Admission: 25.3%</p>
<p>Being a Fordham alum, I have no interest in defending NYU or degrading Fordham. However, I am just stating the facts so that no one is misled. Also, this goes to show how much work we have in front of us before we catch up to NYU.</p>
<p>Right. But the difference between 100 points on the SAT exam is perhaps fewer than 10 questions answered correctly. The SAT is not an IQ test. Its a skill set. Some are good at it..moving very quickly and not overanalyzing it. Some are more analytical and creative and pensive and take longer...to their detriment. The SAT is finally getting its comeupance....its not all that it is cracked up to be. Its a poor measure of success in college. Some kids with mediocre results EXCEL in college and some with super high stats flop...usually from partying and immaturity or disorganization. The WRITING SCORE on the NEW SAT exam is perhaps the best indicator of success.</p>
<p>Many colleges are going SAT optional....and the list is growing.</p>
<p>Never the less, NYU has a lower admit rate, but then again they get MORE applications. Its a special school: urban, no sports, gritty and VERY New York. Fordham is more a mix of the classic college campus and touch of NYU. </p>
<p>As far as getting a job....dont worry about it. You may go to grad school or a professional school anyway. HUNDREDS of companies recruit from Fordham. It has a ZEALOUS alumnae association. You will be fine.</p>
<p>Welcome to Fordham and WORK HARD.</p>
<p>I really encourage anyone considering both schools to ignore completely the prestige factor. Yes, NYU's probably more highly regarded, but I also think it's safe to say that Fordham's ranking isn't at all reflective of its true academic quality. As far as reputation, Fordham is extremely well regarded in any jesuit circle, which isn't to say that's only where it's respected. It's law and business schools are among the best.</p>
<p>Plus, I think we can all agree Fordham's campus knocks the socks off of NYU's :-)</p>
<p>Although I agree that 100 points is a matter of 10 questions, I feel that is an oversimplified analysis. Any student that tries his personal best and reaches a threshold of 1250/1300 would find it nearly impossible to score around 1400+ and get 10 more questions right the second time around. It is not only a matter of answering 10 more questions correctly but in the process of doing so, not getting any of the questions that were answered correctly wrong the second time around, which is very difficult to do since there are so many variables. </p>
<p>Scoring a 1350+ is no fluke; a combination of many factors such has hard work, intelligence to a certain extent (you cannot ignore this factor), test taking savvy, etc. goes into a score. Most students that score very well on these exams are at the least CAPABLE of excelling in a rigorous curriculum. Whether or not these students choose to utilize this capability is up to them and a whole different story; that the colleges cannot control. I think it is safe to say that students that score CONSIDERABLY higher on an SAT exam are more capable of excelling in a rigorous curriculum. That is just my opinion. A student that scores a 700 on a math section v/s a student that scores 600 on a math section is more likely to have stronger quantitative skills, at least I would think so. </p>
<p>It can be debated whether or not an SAT score should determine if a student is worthy of attending a particular college. However, for the time being, it is the most practical measuring stick out there and has been so for a long time, and I do not think that consistently top-ranked colleges (i.e ivy leagues) would do without such a system.</p>
<p>Nocousin, you made some really good points and I may be the one oversimplifying but it would be naive to think that Fordham and NYU are close to each other in terms of selectivity. Top schools like NYU and ivy leagues that accept students with high SAT score know what they are doing. They look at other parts of the application as well and do not take the high scores at face value. There are many students with very high scores that get rejected to these prestigious colleges if other parts of their application do not stand out. So to think that Fordham just happens to have all the special students in the world who are just unfortunate to not be able to perform as well on a standardized exam as other students in the top-ranked colleges (not to say that you particularly think this way) is very naive. The top schools that do take all of the top students make sure that these students have special skills/talents in addition to the very high SAT scores. </p>
<p>I would also like to think that as Fordham's SAT average continues to increase, that this is an indication that the level of students that we have been taking/will be taking has improved/will further improve in the coming years. Sure, there are cases where a student's strength(s) is not revealed through a 3 hour exam, but when one takes a sample of a few thousand students and there is a difference of more than 100 points, one would generally think that the percentage of students that are more likely to excel would come out from that group. We cannot ignore that Fordham's student body has vastly improved over the years (look at the increased awards/fellowships that students are winning, the increase in average salary and the percentage of students being recruited, increased recognition, etc). And I cannot help but notice that our SAT average has increased by more than 100 points over the last 3 or somewhat years.</p>
<p>Everything I stated is just my opinion and I may be wrong in many respects. With that being said, I think Fordham is on an upward trend and that any student that is entering Fordham right now is doing so in a very special and exciting time. Fordham is improving by leaps and bounds while many of the better ranked colleges are either stagnant or are just not progressing at the same rate Fordham is. Therefore, I feel it is a very exciting time to be a Fordham student right now.</p>
<p>Simpson, NYU does not have a campus. While Fordham does have a very aesthetic campus, its location isn't as great as Greenich Village's. Some prefer to be in a campus setting while others want to be in the heart of the city. Its really about preference so it would be unfair to say that one is better than the other.</p>