SDSU or Community College? What's the better option?

<p>I'd really appreciate if you could help me make the right decision. Here's my situation:</p>

<p>I was accepted into 5 schools and I've currently narrowed down my options to either SDSU or community college (my original goal was the UC schools but I was denied admission, so I've been urged to go to community college - this way I can transfer easily and save money at the same time).</p>

<p>The issue is that I worked really hard in high school and would like to see that hard work pay off by actually attending a 4-year institution. I don't want to throw that hard work away BUT I've heard so many negative experiences from SDSU I'm hesitant about attending.</p>

<p>What would you choose? I've qualified for financial aid and would be majoring in Biology.</p>

<p>What are you goals with a Biology major? Would you be living at home and going to a local CC? Who is urging you to do that, your parents? That is certainly an option. SDSU is a good school and has some strong departments and is one of the more highly desired CSU. What negative experiences are you hearing from student who attended?</p>

<p>A note about ‘throwing it away’ - this is very teenage sort of idea, that you did something for nothing when you get good grades, if you don’t get into the college you want. In reality that work gave you preparedness. Community college is college and you will be better prepared that kids who didn’t study enough in HS, and will likely do better. Same with going to SDSU. You will be in regular classes or placed at a higher level and won’t be doing remedial work.</p>

<p>Did you get into the honors college at SDSU? </p>

<p>SDSU is a great school for Biology. My S chose SDSU over a UC for computer science and attending this Fall. He liked the fact that the Professors are more accessible and there is more “hands-on” teaching than you find at the big UC’s.<br>
I am asking you the same question in what are your goals for Biology? Med School, Dental School etc… If so, it doesn’t matter if you a attend a State or UC as long as get a high GPA and High MCAT or DAT.
The only negative reviews I have seen recently have been about the SDSU Party school stigma. My S know 2 students attending this year and the say it has been blown way out of proportion. Yes, if you want to party you can find a party but that is true for any school. Good Luck and take advantage of a great opportunity. There are many students which would trade places with you in a heartbeat. </p>

<p>CC’s tend to serve several populations, all of whom are enrolled in the same classes. You have retired people (and sometimes working people in evening classes) who take classes for general interest. You have students who due to financial or other constraints intend on getting a 4-year degree but start in a CC. You have some students who finally got serious about education after HS when they realized they weren’t working hard enough in HS to get into a 4-year college, and our country can be proud that there’s a way for these people to get back on track (in contrast to a country like France, where a one-time placement exam in HS determines whether you can go to college, and which one).</p>

<p>And finally you have the students that people often have in mind when they 'dis CCs, those who maybe don’t belong there. These days its somewhat frowned upon to finish HS with no intention of college. Many parents expect their kids to go to college, even if Johnny has no interest in doing so. The CC plays the role of bridge between HS and the “real world” for these students, allowing them to at least give a show of attending college before quitting.</p>

<p>And there are lots of these students! Stats show that about 2/3 HS graduates enroll in college, and that 42% of all students in college are at 2-year schools. The outcome stats that follow kids over 6-8 years clearly show this “CC bridge-out effect”. In a US Gov’t study of traditional CC students (kids who went to CC right after HS) 63% reported they intended to eventually get a 4-year degree and another 18% said they were aiming for an AA degree. The outcome 8 years later? Out of those students, only 21% got a 4-year degree and another 18% got an AA. In other words, **81% of those entering a CC said they were going to get a degree but only 31% actually did<img src=“Source:%20The%20Education%20Statistics%20Quarterly:%20Vol.%205” alt="/b"></p>

<p>Peer effects play a big role in how people do in life; in HS, in college, at work. There is a fair amount of social pressure to conform to what the community standards are if you want to get along and make friends. So if only 1 out of 5 of the more traditional kids at a CC are going to end up with a 4-year degree, 80%+ of your peers are probably not going to be setting good examples of how to study, attitude towards academics, or be good to get together with to figure out homework and study. Ask too many questions in class, complain the instructor is going at too slow a pace or is just checking off the homework was turned in and not bothering to actually correct them, and someone is likely to set you straight as to school norms (perhaps with their fists).</p>

<p>Keep in mind, too, that CC students tend to come from the local area and live at home. So social opportunities are going to be different, as well as the sense of getting away from home and taking part in the college experience. And it can be harder to make friends at a new school after you xfer from a CC. When the frosh show up, everyone is in the same boat – nervous & knowing few if any people on campus. One of the easiest time to make new acquaintances (some of which will turn into friends) is the early period of frosh year. By junior year the continuing students have had a lot of their friends 2 years, sharing a history with them. It’s not impossible to make new friends as a junior xfer, and the more outgoing you are the easier it is, but a lot of xfers can tell you what it feels like to go into a classroom of 25 people and it seems like 24 of the other people in there already know each other.</p>

<p>Time is also compressed for CC xfer students. It might take a semester to really feel at home at a college – learning about the clubs, what leisure time activities are around, finding good hangouts, getting to know the rep of different classes and profs so you can make better choices when signing up for classes, just generally finding your way around. As a frosh you have 7 semesters after that to go; as a junior xfer you have 3. If you think about applying to grad school which is commonly done senior year, kids that have been at the school since frosh year have had 3 years to get to know faculty members for recs. Those interested in research have had 3 years to build up responsibilities in the lab so they have something significant to list.</p>

<p>I’m not saying not to do it; for many students a CC turns out to be the best choice for a number of reasons. And there are CC’s that do much better than average; often ones located near a major U since kids enroll their with intent to xfer such as Santa Monica CC near UCLA, or in suburbs with high average incomes such as DeAnza CC in Silicon Valley.</p>

<p>I really appreciate the outlook you guys gave me! Here are some answers to your questions:</p>

<p>I know for sure that I want to go into research with this major - I’m still contemplating maybe transitioning into Pharmacology but it’s just a thought at the moment.</p>

<p>I would commute to SDSU if I decided to go because I live quite close - SDSU is very well known in San Diego so this is where I’m getting all these negative vibes BUT I’m well aware that high schoolers tend to blow things out of proportion which is why I came here for advice. :)</p>

<p>I feel like every time I get comfortable with the idea of attending SDSU someone tells me I’m making a mistake because kids don’t take their classes seriously or that the “SoCal Preps” are apparently out of control. I’m not worried about the party stigma though - I agree you’ll find this at any school.</p>

<p>My mom is not fond of the idea of CC but the reality is that we could save a ton load of money - and that’s good considering our financial situation is not the best. With this in mind, do you see how I would rather not pay MORE money to be surrounded by the same kind of environment that I would encounter at a CC anyway? </p>

<p>I’m not from CA and I’m not personally familiar with SDSU, but my guess is that you’re exactly right - this is high school students blowing things out of proportion. For whatever reason, high school students tend to denigrate their own state’s public universities, especially if they live nearby. But SDSU only admits about 37% of its applicants; the average student scored about average or slightly above average on the SAT or ACT and most students (71%) were in the top quarter of their high school class. That’s certainly not the case at most community colleges, which as noted tend to be a melange of students from different backgrounds and with completely different goals.</p>

<p>Honestly, unless cost is absolutely a concern I would go to SDSU. You will find a different, more competitive kind of student at SDSU and the environment will be better suited for a student who knows they want a four-year degree at the end. And you could still potentially transfer to a UC. Although you’re right in that it’ll be harder than transferring from a CC because of the UCs’ agreements with the CCs, but it’s not impossible if that’s what you really want.</p>

<p>@juillet that was very insightful. Thanks :)</p>

<p>Between commuting to SDSU and going to CC I would goto CC. </p>

<p>I’m a CA CC student so I can give you my perspective on things. Commuting to a university destroys -and I mean KILLS- the social aspect of going to college. Without that, why bother paying the extra money for a Uni over CC? </p>

<p>If you like working really hard you will probably be disappointed with the people you meet at SDSU except the engineering department. Here in CA the really hard working competitive people are at UCLA or Berkeley with the rest being in the STEM departments of lower universities. </p>

<p>With money being a factor I would 100% recommend going to a CC. </p>

<p>It’s interesting how divided everybody is on this topic.</p>

<p>@Icespice: You asked for opinions and you got them. I do take exception to @bomerr regarding that there are few hard working students at SDSU. With an average GPA of 3.73, I would say there are many and I am sure that STAT will go up this year. Also, I know several students which opted for a CC and are having difficulty in getting classes and transferring out in 2 years. Take a look at many of the Transfer threads posting on the difficulty of getting acceptances this year. Financially if SDSU is doable, GO FOR IT, you may be pleasantly surprised.</p>

<p>@Gumbymom you sound just like my counselor! :slight_smile: Yes I think that it looks like SDSU is the best way to go.</p>

<p>@Gumbymom
Are you a California College student? Because I’ve attended both a CC and a 4 yr so I have on the ground experience. I realize the pros and cons of both systems. </p>

<p>@‌Icespice
In my opinion one of two things will happen.</p>

<p>A) You will be content at SDSU. In which case you will regret not going to CC because it’s cheaper than CSU. (if you weren’t commenting this wouldn’t be as big of an issue IMO)</p>

<p>B) You will not be content at SDSU and want to transfer. In which case you will regret not going to CC because it’s cheaper CSU AND because it’s far easier to transfer into a top-tier UC. Look at the transfer section forums. You will see quite a number of people trying to do CSU to UC or even UC to UC transfers.</p>

<p>@bomerr what you bring up are actually my exact fears with going through with this. Either way I’ll have until May 1st to mull it over.</p>