SG Cancels Lawrence Acad. Football Game

<p>ops,</p>

<p>The implication in your post is that LA accepts students solely on their athletic ability and that is why their football team is to phyisically big for SG to comptete with them. If that were the case you’d think the league would suspend them as I am sure there are things in the league charter that sets the standards for the schools in the league.</p>

<p>I’m going to suggest that the 3 players on SG are not the only academically qualified linemen of that talent level in NE. I’m also going to suggest that SG chooses to spend its FA budget on other priorities. If players were injured last year and that is why they chose to cancel the game this year, then they shouldn’t have even scheduled it. It isn’t fair to the players on either side to wait until the season is under way to do this. If LA’s actions are putting players on enough schools in physical danger as you suggest and these schools won’t schedule with them, the problem will fix itself. LA will either find other opponents who have teams that are more like theirs or they will quickly find they don’t have a football team because they don’t play football.</p>

<p>This is an school/league administrative issue that SG has chosen to make a big public political stink about by cancelling the game at the last minute and then talking to the press about it.</p>

<p>Why this is a public news item is beyond me. One thing I have learned is that the press is generally used by people/organizations that wish to bludgeon their way through an argument. When they decided to cancel the game and let loose the reason, I’m sure they knew this would become a press issue. I’d like to know why SG and the ISL can’t seem to work these things out offline.</p>

<p>SG is also condemning its whole athletic program to mediocrity (or worse) with this action whether or not they realize it. They’ve put up the white flag. It sends the message that we aren’t interested in competing to prospective students who have athletic talent. They may as well fold up the tent now. It will take a new AD, perhaps even a new headmaster and some serious bucks to change the new perception they have put out there by this action. Yes, parents whose kids are interested in playing will still apply, but the quality athletes won’t even consider the school now. They don’t want to play for a school that isn’t committed to fielding a competitive team and that is now SG’s image.</p>

<p>Good morning. I did not state in any of my posts that LA accepts students solely on athletic ability. I stated “If LA happens to be the right place for those players and they felt they could excel there, then so be it.”. I reiterated similar sentiment in other posts. I do not know any BS in the ISL and many others that will admit solely on athletic ability. Schools have tried to accommodate such as Salisbury in the past and got a lot of grief in the end when they decided that could not accept the athletes. </p>

<p>I am not privy as to how SG spends it’s FA money. I’m positive it is a combination of academics, character and athletics involved in those decisions. I am also unsure how the games are scheduled and if scheduled by the ISL. As previously stated they don’t always play each other every year. I do know that after last year’s game that the ISL was approached in November with subsequent follow up by SG to have the ISL review their concerns of lopsided matches. After several inquiries SG still did not receive any response from the ISL. By summer time the Head Masters of SG and LA were talking and still waiting to get a response from the ISL. The decision by SG to cancel the game has now gotten the attention of the ISL. This also became a legal liability issue considering SG had made it’s concerns known almost a year earlier, more than once and had someone been seriously injured in this all too familiar US environment of litigation, SG would have been on the hook and maybe LA too.</p>

<p>Now I don’t know for sure but I seriously doubt SG went to the press, quite the contrary. Believe me, SG had no clue this would snowball into what it has become today. I do expect that ISL will now listen to the concerns of SG. The last I heard, they are still out on the question of forfeit. There will be no changes at SG with respect to the AD much less the HeadMaster. This has the full backing of the SG BOD, parents and majority of alumni. Surely there are alumni that are not happy. We’re not in Texas, were at a small NE Prep school who’s primary concern is the safety and welfare of it’s students. </p>

<p>This will pass. I believe that all these schools feel basically the same, that in the end it’s not the stick or the ball in the hand but what’s between the ears that count. The vast majority of these guys aren’t planning to play in college. They just want to have fun and we want them to be safe. Your free to differ. Whatever the final call by the ISL, then so be it. Meantime, I’m calling a time out.</p>

<p>GD,</p>

<p>Good points, a few points of clarification from my earlier post.</p>

<p>The risk of repetitive head trauma to linemen is not limited to the effect of headslaps, although undoubtedly they caused multiple traumas (what the hell were we thinking -see, Mike Webster, Conrad Dobler). Repetitive head traumas cause brain injuries that are symptomatically different than blunt force trauma head injuries (see, Eric Lindros, Steve Young). Rhts are not immediately evidenced by unconsciousness, loss of balance, awareness, irregularity in pupil dilation, etc. The symptoms develop over long periods and include susceptibility to neurological and degenrative brain diseases. It apparently affects offensive and defensive linemen similarly and is likely the result of post snap contact when lineman often first engage with head contact. Much research is being done in this area, led by BU, but also by the NCAA, NFL, USA Hockey, Hockey Canada, etc. It is possible that further medical research will show that our fears and concerns are unfounded but most organizations are taking a cautiously prudent approach. </p>

<p>I don’t know whether these particluar teams were sufficiently mismatched such that forfeiting made sense. I am not familair with the specific programs and I suspect you are, so I defer to you. I simply respect the thought process that puts the safety of student athletes ahead of the bravado of adult coaches and administrators. </p>

<p>Having coached boys and girls, I would never suggest that female athletes are not subject to trauma. I have seen head injuries in baseball, and basketball as well as girls hockey. I was contrasting the risk of injury in non-collision sports (where even if contact is frequent, collisions are infrequent and/or illegal) to collision sports (where collisions are both legal and encouraged (by guys like me!)). The risk of serious injury is far greater when seriously mismatched teams compete in a collision sport.</p>

<p>I enjoy reading your post in general and appreciate your thoughts on this subject.</p>

<p>Stats,</p>

<p>I agree that there are 2 different types of cognitive degeneration that go with the 2 types of head trauma (sudden violent vs. cumulative mild), but I don’t think there is enough data on the techniques used in modern (last 10 years where head contact became forbidden) football line play to say that it imparts enough trauma to have that long term effect. If you are playing line today (either side), you should be coached to keep your head up so as not to lead with your crown or forehead. It does affect the center of gravity negatively in terms of holding your position, but it also gives a better field of vision to the lineman to better protect himself and choose a better point of attack/defense. Hockey players are also now coached to keep their head up which also should help statistically long term. </p>

<p>Brain trauma between 2 colliding bodies is a multi-variable function. Body mass and velocity at time of impact are 2 important issues, but how the bodies initially contact (head vs. other points) has far more to do with the amount of trauma than the body mass and velocity of the bodies. If mass and speed were the major drivers, sumo wrestlers would be well know for head injuries, but since the deceleration of their brain inside their skull after body contact is not sudden (because their heads never meet) concussive injury is not a real concern in their sport. If proper line techniques are used in football, the vast majority of contact and force imparted should be taken by body parts other than the head on most plays. Yes, linemen go down and end up in vulnerable positions where their head gets contacted by knees, elbows, etc. but that is no different than other players in the game who get tackled or ar tackling others.</p>

<p>I am concerned about head injury, as I do have a hockey player. She has had a mild concussion, and it was from a player who charged in after the whistle and kicked her helmet while she was down with a covered puck. I blame the refs because they were allowing a lot of contact after the whistle during the entire game without calling a penalty. Fortunately, it did not have long term affects (they moniotored her for 2 weeks even though it was the end of the season and no practices/contests were scheduled after that day). She’s also taken a lot of slapshots of the helmet (sometimes makes her momentairly deaf from the noise of the flat edge hitting certain spots) over the years including from ex-professionals. One shot shattered a helmet. Will it have a long-term affect on her. Nobody knows for certain, but comparing what she does with what others have dealt with, I would say her exposure/risk is significantly less than people from previous generations. </p>

<p>But goaltending is not even the biggest risk to her going forward. She now is in college (playing hockey) and is in Army ROTC. While women are not assigned to infantry divisions, they are often on the front lines in other capacities and as we know these days the front line is everywhere in theater.</p>

<p>It is what she wants to do and as a parent, who am I to tell my now adult child that she shouldn’t be a soldier because many of them get injured (or worse)? Point is that our kids take risks, often for good or at least acceptable reasons. Our jobs as parents is to understand the risks and help them to understand them and mitigate them as much as they can.</p>

<p>I have encouraged goaliegirl to take managed risks from the time she was a toddler. She had a personality that enabled her to learn to overcome fear (the first time I sat her on a tree branch to take a picture she cried. A week later, she was asking to be put in the tree.</p>

<p>She won’t be taking physical risks forever (although I gues GH Bush still jumps out of perfectly good airplanes on his birthday), but I hope that the mindset to seek out taking controlled (defined by the confines of an accepted activity) risks will serve her well in whatever career and/or family situation she chooses for herself. For her, this lesson comes in the physical activities. Others learn to manage other risks through other mediums (theater for overcoming social fear comes to mind here).</p>

<p>I respect athletic directors at schools who try to set up leagues to set up those controlled risks where students can learn to manage physical fear through sport competition. They do have the job of putting their students into situations where there is a calculated amount of risk of injury and preparing them to deal with that risk in a manner that will allow them to transfer lessons learned to life.</p>

<p>If SG’s team is that physically overchallenged that they are highly likely to incur injuries that are both severe and lasting in effect, they have a duty to avoid putting them in that position. I don’t think LA suddenly grew a bunch of 300 lb linemen as from OPS’ posting, there had been discussions going on both between the teams and within the league for some time as this is a developing inequity.</p>

<p>My point here is if this was obviously dangerous, the game should never have been scheduled. Scheduling such a contest and cancelling at the last minute can have the bad side affect of defeating the confidence of the players on the forfeiting team and causing the players on LA to have an false over-confidence from the surrender message sent in a forfeit (and forfeit is what they see it as). Game should never have been scheduled if they knew this was the case during the summer. This is an adult failure to manage athletic programs.</p>

<p>I hope it as ops thinks that it shall pass, but I have my doubts as to whether such an outcome will ever be fogotten. I know ISL has rules about sportsmanship at athletic events, but I’m sure there are kids who just can’t resist the urge to make subtle taunts about the event towards SG athletes/students. The sad part is that the SG athletes/students did nothing wrong here and must bear the stare of others due to this poorly handled situation. Not exactly the exercise in character building SG’s administration wanted their kids to experience.</p>

<p>fyi … a follow-on article about the Lawrence Academy football team … seems to be more balanced than the original reports … </p>

<p>[Fact</a> and friction - The Boston Globe](<a href=“http://www.boston.com/sports/schools/football/articles/2010/11/11/fact_and_friction/]Fact”>http://www.boston.com/sports/schools/football/articles/2010/11/11/fact_and_friction/)</p>

<p>Maybe I’m not reading this article right. The coach is married to Middle Eastern petro dollars, but she is not a princess. They built the current Lawrence Academy stadium. They personally pay for the financial aid of many of Lawrence Academy’s top players, estimates anyone? Many of his top players are grade repeaters and will be on going to D1 colleges to play football.
Someone explain to me how this is in any way shape or form competitive with any of the other schools in the ISL?</p>

<p>I think it is just luck. How else can you explain three 300lb+ D1 linemen walking in the door of the same ISL school? Pure luck.</p>

<p>Does Lawrence Academy move into an appropriate league next year for football?</p>

<p>I think this is all a tempest in a teapot. It would not have been news had St. George’s refused to play LA. Where were the calls to kick BB&N out of the league?</p>

<p>According to the ESPN Boston High School report (link to the article below),
"The Buckingham, Browne & Nichols football program has been a powerhouse under coach John Papas since he took over eight years ago, as the Knights have won and won big — especially lately — losing just three times in the last four years. </p>

<p>Their average margin of victory over that span has been 24.5 points, with most of the scoring done in the first half before Papas takes his starters out for the second." </p>

<p>[BB&N</a> looks to reload for another ISL run - Boston High School Blog - ESPN Boston](<a href=“http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/high-school/post/_/id/1128/bbn-looks-to-reload-for-another-isl-run]BB&N”>BB&N looks to reload for another ISL run - ESPN - Boston High School Blog- ESPN)</p>

<p>According to the same article BB&N graduated 5 Division I athletes last spring.</p>

<p>It’s more than a tempest in a teapot if the coach and his wife are personally paying for large numbers of scholarships for his players. And if they paid for the new football stadium and stands with their personal fortune? That’s national quality news in my opinion.
How can the other ISL schools level the playing field with that kind of personal financial input into one sport?
Does Lawrence Academy move into an appropriate league next year for football? Or is it the year after?</p>

<p>Sarum, did you read the article 3togo posted?</p>

<p>From the Globe piece:
"For all the controversy, nobody within the league has suggested publicly that Lawrence is doing things improperly.</p>

<p>“I have no idea what goes on over there,’’ says BB&N coach John Papas, who says his team is “not afraid ’’ of playing the Spartans, whom they’ve beaten in four of their last five meetings. “Nor do I care to know. I’m concerned with my own team.’’</p>

<p>Sarum: “It’s more than a tempest in a teapot if the coach and his wife are personally paying for large numbers of scholarships for his players.” </p>

<p>What evidence do you have to back up this claim? ISL scholarships are need-based, so scholarships would come out of the general scholarship fund, not some football slush fund.</p>

<p>The football coach is a parent of two Lawrence students. I’m sure he did give generously to the school’s annual fund, as I’m sure Bill Belichick and the Kraft family (Daniel Kraft is a current trustee) did when their kids attended Rivers.</p>

<p>ISL Schools redo the schedule based on the schools record. If SG has a good year then they get put in a 3 year rotation(?) against the schools with better records. I will say that SG does not recruit for football. They do get the rare kid who becomes a good player over time. It’s hard for one of the smaller schools in the ISL to compete year in year out and I agree that all schools experience ups and downs in all sports. SG has to make a football team from kids who have played and many who have not. As for the Lawrence issue I hope it resolves itself within the league. SG brought the disparity to the league last year and no action as taken by anyone because of the 3 year rotation agreement between schools.</p>

<p>fif regrets that he will not be able to take in the LA-Salisbury game this Saturday at Williston. LA will be facing a team that matches them in size and ability. Two of the best teams in NE (public or private) should produce a classic game.</p>

<p>fif predicts a high scoring game but will reserve his prognostication for later in the week when he calls all five games.</p>

<p>[Lawrence</a> Academy High School Football Roster - MaxPreps](<a href=“http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/JCJd44beWUOr8Jbmry39hQ/lawrence-academy-spartans/football/roster.htm]Lawrence”>http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/JCJd44beWUOr8Jbmry39hQ/lawrence-academy-spartans/football/roster.htm)</p>

<p>With 5 players committed to play next year at D1 colleges, Lawrence Academy (ISL?:slight_smile: ) comes into Williston next Saturday extremely well prepared to take it all.</p>

<p>fif would not be surprised if the Crimson Knights won this game, but on Thursday he will make his picks and as usual, TAKE THEM TO THE BANK, BET THE HOUSE.</p>

<p>Lawrence Academy cancels game for 2010 NE Championship! >kidding<</p>

<p>I would give the Knights the edge as well because of the lack of stiff competition in the ISL this season to prepare for this game. What happened with the Belmont Hill game?</p>

<p>St. George’s has been cleared and the forfeit voided.</p>

<p>ISL Public Statement</p>

<p>I don’t know if this attachment is going to work.</p>

<p>Public Statement
from the Independent School League
April 19, 2011</p>

<p>Recently, the ISL has faced challenges to its mission resulting from individual situations as well as broad changes in the culture of high school athletics. One notable individual case involved concerns about the football program at Lawrence Academy. The League appreciated Lawrence Academy’s forthright response to our concerns, and member schools voted to impose the following sanctions:</p>

<p>1) To require Lawrence Academy to serve a three year probationary period whereby any
subsequent violation of ISL standards (by-laws, guidelines, general agreements, or other
approved League documents) may result in a membership vote to expel Lawrence Academy from the League.</p>

<p>During this probationary period, the League expects Lawrence Academy to affirm
on an annual basis that it is in full compliance with all League standards,
particularly with need-based financial aid practices. Also during this probationary
period, the League expects Lawrence Academy to reconstruct its football program
to align all of its standards (particularly regarding coaching, recruiting, admission,
financial aid processes, and off-season activity) with ISL standards. Each fall,
Lawrence Academy will be required to affirm to the Presidents of the ISLC and
ISLC Steering Committee that the school is in compliance with ISL standards
across its athletic programs, and that the school carefully considers ISL standards,
NEPSAC regulations, and NCAA eligibility requirements in conducting its
athletic program.</p>

<p>2) To vacate both the 2009 and 2010 league titles in football that were awarded to Lawrence Academy.</p>

<p>3) To disallow Lawrence Academy from applying for a NEPSAC bowl game as a representative of the ISL for a three-year period.</p>

<p>4) To require Lawrence Academy to affirm in writing to the Presidents of the ISLC and ISLC Steering Committee by May 1, 2011, that for the upcoming school year, all of its varsity student-athletes who receive financial support from the school will do so using a needs-based analysis and not a merit-based scholarship.</p>

<p>5) To vacate the Heads’ vote of October 24 awarding to Lawrence Academy a “forfeit” of the 2010 football game between St. George’s School and Lawrence Academy, changing the recorded outcome to “no contest.”</p>

<p>6) To request that Lawrence Academy make a formal written apology to the ISL and, in so doing, reaffirm its commitment to the requirements of membership.</p>

<p>The seriousness of the sanctions we have imposed reflects our commitment to ensuring the safety and well-being of our student-athletes. The Heads and Athletic Directors of the ISL are committed to the mission of our League and embrace the work necessary to “striving together through athletic competition to achieve the highest degree of integrity, sportsmanship, fair play and mutual respect in preparation for
good citizenship and leadership in society.”</p>

<p>Devastating.</p>

<p>Wow<br>
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