Shipman

<p>I've kind of become interested in Michigan as an OOSer (from Texas) because of its Honors Math Program. However, in all likelihood, it'll be too expensive to attend unless I get a significant scholarship. That said, what are my chances of getting a Shipman/LSA Scholarship?</p>

<p>ACT:34
SAT: 2210 (800 M, 700 W, 710 CR)
SAT II's: 800(Math 1c),800(Math 2c),780(Chem),760(Phys)
GPA: 4.0</p>

<p>College Classes:
Calculus III (11th,4.0)
Linear Algebra (11th, 3.9)
Differential Equations (11th, 3.2)
Number Theory (11th, 4.0)
-Next year I'll be taking Real Analysis 1 and 2 at a local U, and Macroeconomics at a community college.</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>Gee, I dunno, only a 3.2 in differential equations... =P</p>

<p>At least from what you've listed there, I see no reason why you shouldn't be considered for it. Don't know how often he comes around here, but I'm pretty sure tetrahedron is going to be a Shipman scholar next year, so you could ask him about specifics. I also checked the list of people who currently have the shipman scholarship, and the two smartest people in my honors math sequence both got them, if that helps at all.</p>

<p>Eh, good old DE...... I really didn't do any work in that. :)</p>

<p>I also got a 9 on the AIME, if that helps.</p>

<p>dilksy: can you go further into the two people's stats? Thx.</p>

<p>I got an LSA (20k per year) scholarship. I post my stats:
SAT: 2290/1530
ACT: 34
GPA: 4.0 UW
1st in Class
SAT II: 800, 780, 780
APs: took 17 total; of graded: eight 5s and one 3
National Merit Finalist, AP National Scholar</p>

<p>hope that helps a little.</p>

<p>I don't know anything about those two people's stats. Once you get into college...they kinda don't matter anymore.</p>

<p>pkthunder, was that 9 on AIME enough to qualify you for USAMO this past year? At the very least, you should get the standard $2k-$5k per year from the math department (Keeler scholarship, if you say on your app that you're considering going into math), and you are a solid candidate for both Shipman and LSA, but it's hard to say if you'll actually get them or not. I think you've got as good a chance as anyone and I really hope you join us honors math kids at umich. The department's actually growing quite nicely, especially in the competition area. and in case you didn't know dilksy, tim and i are probably going to get harm to administer the VT college math competition every year and might start a competittion-based club.</p>

<p>No, 124+10(9)=214 <217 :(</p>

<p>Are there any other scholarships for math math majors not listed on the web site? Because if I don't lower my tuition significantly, I'd rather to go to a "prestigious" private school since the tuition will probably be the same.</p>

<p>That's pretty much all the math department has. I think you're probably going to have to just wait and see what the university offers you for scholarships (any chance of getting need-based aid?).</p>

<p>Also, if you plan on continuing on in math, I'm pretty sure Michigan is regarded on about the same level as the other top universities, since the graduate department is consistently ranked in the top 10 nationally (and you will mostly be taking graduate math classes). Chibearsfan17 knows the specifics better than I do, but his RA from last year was a graduating math major and got accepted to Princeton for his PhD with a pretty nice stipend, and I don't think he was any kind of particularly exceptional case, so it's not like coming here would hurt your chances later on.</p>

<p>You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying Michigan wasn't prestigious, I know it is excellent in math. It just will cost a lot out of state. :(</p>

<p>Well right, but so will the other private schools.</p>

<p>I will be a Shipman scholar in the fall. Unfortunately that means that I don't really know much about the selection procedure as of right now. </p>

<p>pkthunder, your math accomplishments are probably pretty similar to mine when I was applying, so I think you have a good shot. I'm guessing the LSA scholarships are easier to get and are mostly stats-dependent. So I think you'll be in good shape for one of them.</p>

<p>I don't think that Shipman depends too much on stats, but it's hard to say. A lot of it, I think, is just how interesting of a person you seem to be based on what you did during high school and what you write in your essays. That's the way I saw it at least after meeting a lot of the shipmates. I could be completely wrong. If you have any questions, I could try to answer them.</p>

<p>pkthunder, only Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Stanford and Yale are more prestigious than Michigan. If you can get into one of those schools, and the price is right, go for it. Otherwise, Michigan is just as prestigious as any other university in the country and when it comes to Math, it is as good as any other university in the country. </p>

<p>Obviously, with UT-Austin practically free, you will have to get a hefty scholarship from what ever univerity you leave the state for because UT-Austin is an amazing university.</p>

<p>I somewhat agree with alexandre, pkthunder. If your main criteria in a university is the strength of the math department, the only schools i would consider to be clear choices over michigan are Harvard, Stanford, MIT, and Princeton. If you're like me and things like vibrant social scene and awesome school spirit/athletic prowess is important to you, then i would even consider taking michigan over these schools even at the same price. Don't fall into the high school trap of feeling like since Michigan is public it isn't worth as much as an education from other elite private schools. Just because some people pay less for it does not mean it is worth any less than an education from these schools.</p>

<p>Alright, alright, I'm (and was) seriously considering Michigan. :)</p>

<p>For my SAT score, would it help if I retook it for a 2350+ (in order for a Shipman)? I really didn't study at all for the first one. How about my ACT score? If I minimize stupid mistakes, I really think I could raise it to a 35 or 36. </p>

<p>Sorry to sound obsessive, but if I get the scholarship, it's $140,000 less I might have to pay, which is a lot. lol</p>

<p>I think re-taking the tests would be a good idea. If you're confident you can do better, you're only sacrificing a few hours and like $100 for a better chance at $140,000 like you're saying, so I think that's a very sound investment.</p>

<p>So is applying in late November instead of early September (as a result of retaking) make it more difficult to get scholarships? </p>

<p>Can I just send in my scores as they are when I apply in September, then send in my scores later? When are scholarships awarded?</p>

<p>Does it look too obsessive to U of M to retake the SAT thrice?</p>

<p>Thanks for helping, everyone!</p>

<p>Improving your test scores would definitely improve your chances. There are no guarantees of course, but it would improve your chances. Also, do not forget to apply as early as possible. Apply by October at the latest. You can send your new scores after your application. Remember, if you send your application in by October 1, Michigan will probably make its admissions decision by early November. Only then, will your file be sent in for aid consideration. By then, you should have your new est results. Just make sure they are automatically sent to Michigan.</p>

<p>So scholarship decisions are made approximately a month after you're accepted? So if I apply with old scores, but new scores arrive after I'm accepted, but before scholarship decisions are made, they'll look at new scores, right? </p>

<p>Thanks again.</p>

<p>Also, should I still send in my current score of 34?</p>

<p>And when I retake, what if my score is only marginally better? Will that look bad?</p>

<p>Yes, definitely send in your 34. And yes, Michigan will definitely see your latest scores if you apply sometime around Octover 1. Do not wait longer than that time to apply though.</p>