<p>My son is just now a freshman. He has always done well in school. Currently in all honors courses--Obtaining all A's. Assuming he stays on track--He would like to apply to/attend U of M--he would be an out of stater--does U of M give merit aid? I have heard that out of staters do not get merit aid. Is this true?</p>
<p>I’m assuming your S is a fr in HS, not college? If so, UM has merit scholarships for OOS students, both university-wide and through the individual colleges:</p>
<p>[University</a> of Michigan Office of Financial Aid: OFA Scholarship Listing](<a href=“http://www.finaid.umich.edu/types_of_financial_aid/scholarships/ships.asp]University”>http://www.finaid.umich.edu/types_of_financial_aid/scholarships/ships.asp)</p>
<p>Shipman is the largest, but very competitive and still leaves a fair gap between it and the 50k/yr cost of attendance for OOSers.</p>
<p>p.s. go to the websites of colleges your S is interested in, they will list merit scholarships under their Financial Aid section if they offer them.</p>
<p>Shipman is the largest, but very competitive and still leaves a fair gap between it and the 50k/yr cost of attendance for OOSers.</p>
<p>Yes, there are a limited number of scholarships (such as above) for OOS students. However, they are hard to get and shouldn’t be “counted on” - even if your child has good test scores. </p>
<p>And, as mentioned above, only cover a portion of the OOS Cost of attendance (COA). </p>
<p>Remember, while a high GPA is necessary, it’s even more important that his ACT or SAT is very high. Many kids have “staight A’s,” but the difference is often test scores. I don’t know what percentile UMich looks for in test scores, but often a 99th percentile (such as an ACT 32+) is a good guideline.</p>
<p>At this point, you need to encourage your son to also be open to other schools that you know will be affordable, in case UMich doesn’t work out financially. There are also some schools that give assured scholarships for certain stats. Having one or two of those as financial safety schools is a good idea.</p>
<p>^ For 2009, the middle 50% of the ACT for enrolled freshmen at UMich was 27 - 31 (which hasn’t changed since 2005, so I wouldn’t count on it changing TOO much in the next 3 years). That is for all freshmen though, obviously it is more difficult for OOS.</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>Thanks… I just looked up UMich’s recent info and they report their mid 50s goes up to ACT 32! Wow!</p>
<p>That would suggest (to me) that to get one of those few OOS merit scholarhships, a student would need about an ACT 34 (1510 M+CR SAT) or higher, plus a GPA of 4.0++.</p>
<p>I’m basing that on the idea that UMich certainly isn’t offering big merit to all those who have stats in the top 25% - that would be too many students!!! </p>
<p>Middle 50th Percentile of the Admitted Class:
ACT Composite of 28–32
ACT English of 28–34
ACT Math of 27–33
ACT Combined English/Writing of 26–31
SAT Total of 1940–2190
SAT Critical Reading 620–730
SAT Math 660–770
SAT Writing 630–730
HS GPA 3.7-4.0 </p>
<p>High School GPA:
27% of students with a 4.0 GPA
51% of students with a 3.9 GPA or higher </p>
<p>29,965 Applications
14,970 Admissions
6,079 Enrolled </p>
<p>Since UMich admits about 15,000 students, the top 25% would be about 3,750 students. I don’t think UMich is handing out 3,750 big scholarships.</p>
<p>Robins…as you can see, the top 27% of kids have 4.0 GPAs, therefore test scores will largely be the determining factor.</p>
<p>^ That’s very strange. Could you link me to where you found that? It’s different than the stats I found (although yours seem to be a bit more correct). </p>
<p>GPA: 3.60 - 3.90</p>
<p>Test score ranges (SATs recentered Fall 1996 on)
of the middle 50% of all enrolled
freshmen: *
SAT-Verbal: 590 - 690
SAT-Math: 640 - 740</p>
<p>ACT Composite middle 50%: 27-31</p>
<p><a href=“Office of Budget and Planning”>Office of Budget and Planning;
<p>Oh… perhaps yours was ADMITTED freshmen and mine is only freshmen than enrolled??</p>
<p>And yes, even freshmen with ACTs of 34 and 4.0 GPAs instate aren’t getting a lot of scholarships. However, the economy in Michigan might be drastically different in a few years so they may be a bit more lenient (or even harder, who knows?) on OOS scholarships. Right now they seem to want as many full pay OOSers as possible.</p>
<p>This is from UMich’s own website of their present freshman class…</p>
<p>[Office</a> of Undergraduate Admissions: About Michigan](<a href=“http://www.admissions.umich.edu/about/]Office”>Explore & Visit | University of Michigan Office of Undergraduate Admissions)</p>
<p>Hate to be negative - but my son was accepted at U. Michigan last year as an OOS student. He had a 4.6 weighted GPA with all A’s and 8 AP classes and a 34 ACT. Did not receive any merit scholarships. The need-based fin aid package was pitiful - the worst one he received. Needless to say, he is not attending Michigan.</p>
<p>*And yes, even freshmen with ACTs of 34 and 4.0 GPAs instate aren’t getting a lot of scholarships. However, the economy in Michigan might be drastically different in a few years so they may be a bit more lenient (or even harder, who knows?) on OOS scholarships. Right now they seem to want as many full pay OOSers as possible. *</p>
<p>With the economy hurting, the scholarships may diminish or go away. </p>
<p>Either way, no OOS student (especially a young one with no test scores) should put their hopes in snagging a limited and competitive merit scholarship. It’s best now for a parent to encourage an “open mind” and keep eyes/ears open to hearing about other schools, other programs, and other scholarships (especially some assured ones).</p>
<p>rockvillemom quote: *but my son was accepted at U. Michigan last year as an OOS student. He had a 4.6 weighted GPA with all A’s and 8 AP classes and a 34 ACT. Did not receive any merit scholarships. The need-based fin aid package was pitiful - the worst one he received. Needless to say, he is not attending Michigan. *</p>
<p>I believe it! Most OOS publics don’t give any financial aid (except UVa and UNC) to OOS students, and many don’t give OOS students merit scholarships either (or they require higher stats from them). However, some do give OOS students merit scholarships.</p>
<p>Where is your son going to school? I hope he snagged some good money with those excellent stats!!! :)</p>
<p>The shipman scholarship is supplemented by your department, so there are full-ride scholarships available to OOS students.</p>
<p>Do you mean full-tuition or full-ride?</p>
<p>And how many are offered and what stats are needed?</p>
<p>Hi Tyler, how’s everything in AA? </p>
<p>Thanks for your post, I was looking at the Shipman because of a recent thread and saw this on the LS&A page:</p>
<p>[College</a> of Literature, Science, and the Arts : Students](<a href=“http://www.lsa.umich.edu/umich/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=ab570e36557aa110VgnVCM100000a3b1d38dRCRD&vgnextchannel=79d06886aca38110VgnVCM10000096b1d38dRCRD&vgnextfmt=default]College”>http://www.lsa.umich.edu/umich/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=ab570e36557aa110VgnVCM100000a3b1d38dRCRD&vgnextchannel=79d06886aca38110VgnVCM10000096b1d38dRCRD&vgnextfmt=default)</p>
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<p>What I MISSED that time through was the * at the bottom of the page (which as far as I can see, with my old eyes, does not correspond to an * in the body of the text:</p>
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<p>Previously, the LS&A Shipman description explicitly included the fact that part of the scholarship came from Shipman and part from the college, so that’s why I thought they’d changed their policy, thanks for your help in correcting this.</p>
<p>I wonder what stats are needed since Rockvillemom’s OOS son had 4.6 weighted GPA with all A’s and 8 AP classes and a 34 ACT, and he got nothing!</p>
<p>As with most things at this level, I think it goes beyond stats.</p>
<p>D1 got full Shipman through LS&A: URM, 4.0 UW, most rigorous courseload (including APs, and college level Spanish and math beyond what the HS offered), single sitting (before score choice) 2370 (1600 in CR+M), competitive summer program and paid summer internship, volunteer translator at low income clinic, etc. Her roommate was ‘recruited’ (ie. wined and dined) for her academic specialty at UM, Brown, UChicago, Yale and others. Her year, other LS&A Shipman candidates were accepted to the most selective schools, and most chose not to take the scholarship. A member here on CC had to choose between the Shipman, Yale and Stanford.</p>
<p>I am surprised that RVMs S didn’t get a college based scholarship, for instance, LS&A offers Dean’s scholarships of from 5 to 20k/yr to about 150 students per class.</p>
<p>*for instance, LS&A offers Dean’s scholarships of from 5 to 20k/yr to about 150 students per class. *</p>
<p>Are those offers to “accepted students” or to “enrolled students.” </p>
<p>Since UMich admits about 15,000 prospective students, the top 25% would be about 3,750 students. </p>
<p>If 150 are offered scholarships, that would be the top 1% of accepted applicants. Those would be some elite stats kids! 
Wow! They’d likely be a bunch of 1600 M+CR SAT kids!</p>
<p>LOL chill, he’s a freshman…</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>Agreed. But, this parent is smart to be looking into the likelyhood of getting a big merit scholarship to help pay for OOS fees. </p>
<p>Many parents mistakenly think that their child’s high GPA is going to earn one, when in reality, too many kids have high GPAs…and it’s the SAT and ACT that “separates the men from the boys.”</p>
<p>So, it’s a good idea for this parent to put some reality into this child’s dream now, before it becomes so set in his brain that 3 years from now he won’t listen to reason.</p>
<p>BTW…no one knows which scholarships will be offered 3 years from now. Scholarships disappear, get reduced, etc all the time.</p>
<p>Hard to tell, from their website:</p>
<p>[College</a> of Literature, Science, and the Arts : Students](<a href=“http://www.lsa.umich.edu/students/scholarships/prospectivestuds]College”>http://www.lsa.umich.edu/students/scholarships/prospectivestuds)</p>
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<p>^^^</p>
<p>*for instance, LS&A offers Dean’s scholarships of from 5 to 20k/yr to about 150 students per class. *</p>
<p>Well, if 150 of the freshmen class get them, and there are 6,000 in the freshman class, that still suggests that these kids have uber stats. They wouldn’t just be in the top 25% (which would be 1500 kids), these kid would likely be in the top 2.5% of the freshmen class (which is already a pretty smart group!) :)</p>