Shooting at Univ. Alabama Huntsville (merged thread folds in Parents Cafe comments)

<p>Yes, Northstarmom, and there may well be a cautionary tale as well about the dangers of shielding childern from the consequences of their own actions, as well. This is all rather sensational, in the less flattering use of the word.</p>

<p>My sons are now 21 and 25. If I could go back in time to when they were children and I could rear them again, I’d pay even more attention to doing things to build their characters including their compassion, integrity, responsibility, and resilience. </p>

<p>I did pay some attention to attempting to help my kids develop those traits, but if I could do things over, I’d pay even more attention to those things because those are far more important and valuable than are developing the skills to go to a good college.</p>

<p>Mental health is important, more so for those who use their brains a lot.</p>

<p>Well, against my better judgment I checked the online Boston media. This is a further account of the aftermath of her killing her brother. </p>

<p>[Quincy</a> man recalls Bishop holdup - BostonHerald.com](<a href=“http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1232944]Quincy”>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1232944)</p>

<p>Also, in an interview her husband stated:</p>

<p>Anderson said he and his wife’s lawyers had advised him not to speak publicly - not even to disclose the lawyers’ names - but that he wanted to “clear the air’’ on some misconceptions in the media, such as a report that she was considered a suspect in the investigation of the mail bombing of a Harvard Medical School professor in 1993.
Neither he nor his wife was a suspect, he said. He acknowledged they had been questioned but said it was “just a matter of questioning, being bothered, harassed.’’</p>

<p>They were HARRASSED by the police. Good attitude!</p>

<p>If this was proposed as a TV movie, it would never sell: to unrealisitic.</p>

<p>I read the new story you just linked to, tom. The more I read, the more amazed I am that she just walked away back then. Just pointing the gun at that guy was a crime she should have been charged with, all by itself.</p>

<p>Of course, in a sense this whole 1986 story is something of a red herring. After all, even if it does turn out in the end that it was an accident, that wouldn’t make her any less culpable for what happened a couple of days ago.</p>

<p>I do wonder a little bit how kosher the husband is. I was surprised to learn that they were already dating when she killed her brother.</p>

<p>But for those who said the kids should be taken away from him, well, there’d have to be a whole lot more evidence incriminating him than there is now – since now, there’s basically nothing.</p>

<p>Although the interview I posted a couple of pages back seemed kind of strange to me. He sounded so calm about the whole thing, and so casual in the way he described his phone call to her in jail. If my spouse had just killed three people, suddenly and out of the blue, and not only destroyed their own life and future but essentially destroyed the family and left me with four children to raise alone, I don’t think I could discuss the situation that calmly, either with the press or my spouse.</p>

<p>But maybe that’s just me.</p>

<p>I’m extremely sad for those who were shot – who would have thought that being a biology professor had occupational hazards like this?? – but I am also completely fascinated by this story. This is so bizarre. For sure, this will be on Law and Order in some form before the year is up.</p>

<p>If my spouse had just killed three people, suddenly and out of the blue, and not only destroyed their own life and future but essentially destroyed the family and left me with four children to raise alone, I don’t think I could discuss the situation that calmly, either with the press or my spouse.</p>

<p>I agree… and he’s also claiming that he didn’t know his wife had a gun. Well, if that’s true, then shouldn’t he be thinking that perhaps his wife had a dark side that he wasn’t privvy to? How many spouses own a gun while the other spouse doesn’t know???</p>

<p>And…since when does someone accidentally kill someone and then have a gun later?</p>

<p>Mollie, the overwhelming majority of HMS faculty are based in the hospitals. Maybe it’s different in the medical school labs, but for most faculty, the normal progression is instructor/assistant professor/associate professor/professor. You can see this on the CV of any faculty person…</p>

<p>It is certainly not a part-time position, although there are “clinical instructors” - MDs who are associated with HMS but not on the regular faculty. Even the page you linked to states that it is the normal first step after training. It is possible to apply for NIH funding as an instructor and, in many departments, PhDs cannot be promoted to assistant professor without having obtained independent funding. In most other medical schools, the entry-level faculty position is assistant professor.</p>

<p>From the news stories about the bombing, it sounds like Bishop was still a PhD student in 1993, because she was, according to reports, in a dispute with the victim about her doctoral work. It is hard to believe that she would have been given a faculty position, or even a string of post-docs, after that, if people really believed that she had been responsible.</p>

<p>I was also taken aback by the husband’s “business as usual” attitude. Was he on the faculty, as well? I’m not sure that I’ve seen anything about his job, except that he designed the instrument with Bishop.</p>

<p>If the story about the incident at the car dealership is true, then it is even more astounding that Bishop was allowed to walk away in 1986.</p>

<p>The husband says that he is upset, and he apparently is a “freelance researcher” - whatever that means:</p>

<p>[Alabama</a> shooting spree stuns Bishop’s husband - The Boston Globe](<a href=“http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/02/15/alabama_shooting_spree_stuns_bishops_husband/]Alabama”>http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/02/15/alabama_shooting_spree_stuns_bishops_husband/)</p>

<p>The lawyers told him not to speak to reporters, but he does so anyway?</p>

<p>From the NYT article, Bishop was exonerated in the bombing case, according to her husband.
She had also successfully appealed her denial of tenure but the appeal was canned at the dean’s level. So it would seem that her department had been willing to grant her tenure. This was to be her last semester in the job.
I agree that her husband’s reactions are very strange. He seems affectless, to say the least.</p>

<p>This article has information on conflicts with neighbors in a Boston suburb:</p>

<p>[More</a> questions on professor held in Ala. - The Boston Globe](<a href=“http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/02/15/more_questions_on_professor_held_in_ala/?page=3]More”>http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/02/15/more_questions_on_professor_held_in_ala/?page=3)</p>

<p>Apparently, she was in Boston until 2003 - I wonder whether she was still at Harvard?</p>

<p>Would the Feds have sent a letter saying that Bishop was in the clear (according to the husband) on the bombing attempt if they thought she was guilty, but didn’t have enough evidence to charge her?</p>

<p>Mom2collegekids–I agree with you. I would be very concerned if I found out spouse had a gun w/o my knowledge! Not to mention having a gun in the house (possibly) with small children around. Husband probably knows more than what is being disclosed…</p>

<p>I was struck by this, from the 1986 events:</p>

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<p>Note that despite having just killed her brother minutes before she was sufficiently cool to be able to make up a story that would make her sound sympathetic and be most likely to garner assistance.</p>

<p>I was also interested that the brother was reportedly a brilliant science student and an accomplished violinist. Bishop was apparently at the time an undergrad at Northeastern, not having yet assumed the H mantle…was she concerned that she was being outshone by the brother? Various colleagues have commented on her outsized opinion of herself.</p>

<p>I wouldn’t put too much weight on the husband’s affect, or lack thereof. He is being filtered through a reporter.</p>

<p>^^^^</p>

<p>Wait. Was she married at the time that she shot her brother? I though she was only 20 and living at home when she shot her brother.</p>

<p>*Before Bishop and Anderson moved to Alabama in 2003, they lived in a tight-knit community on Birch Lane in Ipswich with their three daughters and son.</p>

<p>Neighbors described Bishop as an angry person who often called police when teens were playing basketball or skateboarding in the neighborhood, and yelled and cursed at children for being too loud.</p>

<p>“She wouldn’t let the ice cream truck come down the street,’’ said one neighbor, who declined to give his name.</p>

<p>Ipswich police confirmed two calls for neighborhood disputes from Bishop, but did not release any details. Bishop also called police on March 8, 2002 to report receiving harassing phone calls, police said.</p>

<p>Onetime neighbors Denise and Nishan Mootafian said they stopped letting their children go over to play with Bishop and Anderson’s children, in part because Bishop “got very agitated by noise.’’</p>

<p>“I just feel like she was a ticking bomb who could have gone off on any of us,’’ Denise Mootafian said.</p>

<p>Once, neighbors organized a block party and didn’t tell Bishop because of conflicts she had with people, she said. “At that point things were so tense.’’</p>

<p>“We weren’t sad to see them go,’’ Nishan Mootafian said.*</p>

<p>Since when is a mother of 4 children “bothered by noise”??? That is such a disconnect and another red flag.</p>

<p>The husband is in denial…</p>

<p>“I’m sorry for those guys,’’ said Anderson, referring to the three colleagues of Bishop who were killed and the three others who were wounded. “I haven’t even looked to see who was killed. Because I worked with those people.’’</p>

<p>What??? He hasn’t even bothered to find out who was killed???</p>

<p>Anderson said the couple’s four children were holding up better than he was. “They’re all New Englanders,’’ he said,* his oldest child, 18,** out of sight but within earshot.*</p>

<p>So, the 4 kids are 18 and under…so sad for them. :(</p>

<p>From the Chronicle’s report of the husband’s statements to the press re his phone call from his wife:</p>

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<p>Because the first priority when your mom has just been jailed on multiple capital murder charges is homework.</p>

<p>And I like the part about his children holding up well because “they are New Englanders”. </p>

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<p>Marite, just speaking in general terms, not with any knowledge of UAH, it is not that unusual for a Dean’s committee to look negatively on a split departmental decision re tenure. If she didn’t get a unanimous decision at the dept level to overturn the denial, I’m not too shocked that the Dean turned her down.</p>

<p>“I’m sorry for those guys,’’ said Anderson, referring to the three colleagues of Bishop who were killed and the three others who were wounded. “I haven’t even looked to see who was killed. Because I worked with those people.’’</p>

<p>“I’m sorry for those guys”? Thats the best statement this guy can come up with? I am really struck by the husbands seeming lack of remorse for “those guys”. Next will come the crocodile tears, if they have not already started. The husband sounds as unhinged and detached from reality as his wife.</p>

<p>Here is a science blog where the blogger and commenters analyze her academic record:</p>

<p>[UA</a> Huntsville Dr. Amy Bishop holds active NIH R15 AREA award : Terra Sigillata](<a href=“http://scienceblogs.com/terrasig/2010/02/uah_dr_amy_bishop_holds_active.php]UA”>http://scienceblogs.com/terrasig/2010/02/uah_dr_amy_bishop_holds_active.php)</p>

<p>One of the commenters claims that, on her most recent paper, several of her children are listed as authors! I found this hard to believe, but here is a link to the paper:</p>

<p><a href=“Effects of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors on motor neuron sur | IJGM”>Effects of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors on motor neuron sur | IJGM;

<p>The authors are Bishop, her husband, and either three of their (18 and under) children or, assuming a major coincidence, three UA students or post-docs who share the last name!</p>

<p>(But those three authors are affiliated with the company, not the university, so they are not students. I wonder whether they were paying the children “salaries” - a case for the IRS?)</p>