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<p>Here's some college math for your 3rd grade math- not all quantities are equal. </p>
<p>Just because they get more applicants doesn't mean they get more qualified applicants. In fact I almost guarantee they don't. It just means they get more applicants. So it's not harder to stand out since the bar for admission is the same, and the number of qualified applicants is roughly the same.</p>
<p>...Mudd's acceptance rate is ~30% the past two years...but, like UChicago, it draws a VERY self-selecting group of applicants.</p>
<p>^^ And you understand that, because you stated before that UChicago still had rather high Median SAT scores. </p>
<p>Prestige comes also from the quality of alumni that said school has produced. In that, Uchicago >>> Rice.</p>
<p>Get over your Rice fetish. It's a good school. It's not Uchicago. It never will be.</p>
<p>Now you're just being ridiculous.</p>
<p>How in the name of heavy metal can you proclaim that the quality of alumni from UC is superior to Rice's?</p>
<p>In my opinion, a quality alum is someone who receives and does a job he loves and enjoys his life.</p>
<p>What, UC Chicago businessmen make 10 percent more than Rice grads? Who says that if these "extreemly qualified students" went to Rice instead of UC, they wouldn't be in the exact same position?</p>
<p>Most of the country would say that George W. Bush is not a quality president.
Maybe you should start criticizing JHarvard and Yale because they produce such people with little quality (I know Yale and Harvard produce plenty of great people, I'm just making the point that to go to a school based on the "quality" of the alumni is ridiculous).</p>
<p>That is by far the stupidest argument I have ever heard, there is no way to confirm that going to UC will make you more qualified.</p>
<p>Before, all your arguments really did make sense, but now you're just spouting nonsense.</p>
<p>You can argue that a school produces more rich people than other schools, but is IMPOSSIBLE to measure the "quality" of a school's alumni.</p>
<p>Rice is far more selective then UC, has better location, is not a place where fun comes to die, has great sports teams like baseball, and has beer bike.</p>
<p>UC is a great school, but to declare that it is better than UC is ridiculous.</p>
<p>I never said Rice is better than UC, as "better" means different things for different people.</p>
<p>Bourne, at my high school I had the greatest English teacher I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.</p>
<p>She was funny, warm, very smart, and really incited that intellectual spark in students' minds. She went to Rice.</p>
<p>Is she going to appear on "Who's who" or "the forbes 500?"</p>
<p>No way.</p>
<p>But is she an alum of fantastic quality?</p>
<p>Of course</p>
<p>Wow, you made a clear argument. I'm amazed.</p>
<p>Your point matters. It does, but it only matters if we're solely discussing Uchicago and Rice as separate institutions.</p>
<p>We however are doing that WHILE alluding to the USNWR rankings. The rankings rely in some part on PA. PA is in some ways, directly correlated to the amount of very successful alumni produced by that institution. So in this case, that wonderful teacher you had .... Just doesn't count. So you see? When we talk about UC and Rice in terms of rankings, and why one is a better school than the other, we refer to definite examples that powerful symbols of School A's success. </p>
<p>Yale has had a President. How crappy he was/has been is an opinion based on where your loyalties/perspectives lie? How many presidents have come from Rice? -- is the question someone will ask when comparing the prestige of Yale and Rice. </p>
<p>Extend the analogy to UC.</p>
<p>Your argument is holding up anymore Jmanco. I'm sorry.</p>
<p>just a question about UC...</p>
<p>did it always used to be in Top 10 in USNWR? 'cause i haven't really recognized it until lately... was it always in top 10 or 15?</p>
<p>Thank you for stating that it is holding up.</p>
<p>Much appreciated.</p>
<p>"How in the name of heavy metal can you proclaim that the quality of alumni from UC is superior to Rice's?"</p>
<p>A look through a Uchicago alumni list might help you realize the impact the school has had....and is still very much having:</p>
<p>List</a> of University of Chicago people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p>
<p>this guy's a troll, ignore.</p>
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<p>Thanks for the compliment. Well, I don't agree with that part of the ranking system but agree with some of the other parts. I can't help it if the US News ranking system has ridiculous flaws. And anyways, this isn't really what I was originally arguing; we're getting steered off tracked.</p>
<p>I don't think that UChicago should be a top 10 university in terms of prestige or in the US News rankings. I think Dartmouth and Rice trump it for all the reasons I stated before. </p>
<p>The fact remains that UC S a huge black sheep in the top 10 as it has a vastly higher admissions rate than all the other top 10 arguments.</p>
<p>It definetely can be argued that UC deserves to be in the top 10 over Rice, though I do disagree but Dartmouth seriously deserves to be in the top 10 over UC.</p>
<p>Dartmouth is so hard to get into and prestigious, whenever I hear about someone who got i I can't help but feel very impressed.</p>
<p>There is no evidence to prove that those same people wouldn't be in the exact same position if they went to Rice or Dartmouth or Weslayan.</p>
<p>There is no evidence to prove that those same people wouldn't be in the exact same position if they went to Rice or Dartmouth or Weslayan.</p>
<p>That aspect of the rankings should be eliminated.</p>
<p>And as with Bush, what is his approval rating, 3 percent?'</p>
<p>(I'm not saying I agree or disagree with his policies).</p>
<p>Most of the country would say that he is not a qualified alumni, even though he is president.</p>
<p>I know you're a troll but I'll play:</p>
<p>"There is no evidence to prove that those same people wouldn't be in the exact same position if they went to Rice or Dartmouth or Weslayan."</p>
<p>You're missing the point, and I'm pretty sure you didn't recognize people on that list that you should have. The point is that Chicago's list includes not just people in the top of their fields but people who actually created those fields. People whose influence have changed the way other people think and behave. Unlike some elite schools, Chicago's influence seems to span throughout almost every field imaginable and in fairly large numbers. The schools you mention are amazing and have produced many significant alumni, but I would argue not in the same amounts or scope as Chicago.</p>
<p>Yes, Chicago is a black sheep. If you were familiar with the university you would know that students and alumni aren't very happy with it's newfound popularity. Long before the USNews list, Chicago was the stealth competitor to HYP. Rockefeller founded it to be a competitor. There's also a saying that Chicago kids are the kids that made the future Harvard kids nervous in high school. Hyperbole yes, but take a look at that list again and you can see that there is some truth to it.</p>
<p>jmanco, what is your definition of prestige?</p>
<p>Why is Princeton #1??? HUH? It's acceptance rate is 10% while Harvard's is only 9%. What's up with that? </p>
<p>And ElderCookies, why fight? You can team up with my level 70 druid and we can destroy this troll!</p>
<p>Haha, I meant your argument isn't holding up anymore.</p>
<p>Anyways, once again -- He's the president. That's prestigious enough. Thirty years from now, no one will care how bad he was when they talk about Yale alumni. Who is Calvin Coolidge and why do I still know his name. </p>
<p>You're asking why they're ranked so highly and I give you a reason ... and then you say you don't agree with that part of the ranking system. </p>
<p>UChicago has legends that few schools can match. It's highly selective with an excellent student body. It is among its collegiate peers in awards won -- a category that Rice is nowhere to be found -- it's just better.</p>
<p>Btw, stop bringing up Rice's once again bounced from the CWS baseball team, because they don't matter. We're speaking of rankings. Chicago is ranked higher for many reasons. None of which have to do with that or the other weird points you seem to idealize.</p>
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There is no evidence to prove that those same people wouldn't be in the exact same position if they went to Rice or Dartmouth or Weslayan.
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The same argument can be made of every other school in the world.<br>
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The fact remains that UC S a huge black sheep in the top 10 as it has a vastly higher admissions rate than all the other top 10 arguments.
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So what you're saying is, that you realize that US News rankings have enormous flaws.... and the way you would fix it is to base rankings heavily on acceptance rates? I shouldn't even have to explain why this is ridiculous.
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Dartmouth is so hard to get into and prestigious, whenever I hear about someone who got i I can't help but feel very impressed.
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You must be a very vain and judgmental person then.
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Bourne, it's not like I'm a lone weirdo rebel. Plenty of people agree with me that UC is a great school, top 22 material, but not top 10.
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This hardly legitimizes an argument. Plenty of people also think evolution never existed.
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That is by far the stupidest argument I have ever heard, there is no way to confirm that going to UC will make you more qualified.
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This is hypocrisy. You said you'd be extremely impressed by someone who went to Dartmouth, after all.
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Bourne, at my high school I had the greatest English teacher I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.</p>
<p>She was funny, warm, very smart, and really incited that intellectual spark in students' minds. She went to Rice.</p>
<p>Is she going to appear on "Who's who" or "the forbes 500?"</p>
<p>No way.</p>
<p>But is she an alum of fantastic quality?</p>
<p>Of course
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Wow. I'm sure Chicago alumni like those can't exist.... you know that school known as the "teacher of teachers" and ranks 1st in sending kids to the Peace Corps.</p>
<p>everyone here needs to stop replying to this thread unless you have nothing better to do in your life.</p>