<p>I wonder how many Chinese families would still send their kids to U$C after 2 Chinese foreign students were recently killed in that sketchy area.</p>
<p>Ok on any city school campus, you have to be smart off campus. If you were at NYU, and were walking alone at night you could easily be mugged. If you were in Westwood, there’s still that chance. But now, would you all just shut up? Thanks.</p>
<p>This thread truly shows the CC community the meaning of the term Bitter Bruin. So much anger, yet so little facts are being used in your arguements. I challenge you, especially drax, to follow up with links to all your claims. You appear to go off your personal expierence and/or perceived knowledge only. That is not how one debates, dear friend.</p>
<p>I’d like to take a few posts here to summarize the thread to this point:</p>
<p>Page 1:</p>
<p>SeattleTW - USC is a more prestigious school. Reason: US News and World Report.
notaznguy & golden - Claim ■■■■■
dinoian - Respond to original questions with anecdotal evidence. Links to substantiate my claims:
[Best</a> Physics Programs | Top Physics Schools | US News Best Graduate Schools](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/physics-rankings]Best”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/physics-rankings)
UCLA is # 19 (tied)
USC is # 52 (tied)
[Best</a> Mathematics Programs | Top Math Schools | US News Best Graduate Schools](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/mathematics-rankings]Best”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/mathematics-rankings)
UCLA is # 8 (tied)
USC is # 51 (tied)</p>
<p>This is provided USNEWS is an acceptable source, as Seattle has already claimed.</p>
<p>As for graduating in four years, a recent (2010) study showed 69% of entering freshmen graduated in 4 years:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.aim.ucla.edu/publications/update05-1gradrates.pdf[/url]”>http://www.aim.ucla.edu/publications/update05-1gradrates.pdf</a></p>
<p>SeattleTW - Prestige can be measured by where east coast prep schools send their graduates.
golden - Asks for an end to discussion
lrn - attempts to make joke
gametheory - notes they did not apply to USC, was accepted to more prestigious
b&b - Not quite sure what the claim here is… I think it’s that Seattle is not ■■■■■■■■ because beyphy, golden, and notaznguy regularly ■■■■■ the USC board.
Band - Claims Seattle is ■■■■■■■■ as a reaction to UCLA people on USC board
Fromcal - Claims UCLA is more prestigious for two reasons - first it appears on this sites “Top Universities” tab ([CC</a> Top Universities - College Confidential](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cc-top-universities/]CC”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cc-top-universities/)) while USC does not, and secondly they use international rankings:</p>
<p>[QS</a> World University Rankings - Topuniversities](<a href=“http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2011]QS”>http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2011)
[World’s</a> Best Universities; Top 400 Universities in the World | US News](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world]World’s”>http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world)
UCLA is #34 (page 2)
USC is #107 (page 5)</p>
<p>Again, taken from USNews which Seattle originally claimed is admissible.
Fromcal’s claim of top 15 is false, however a significant gap does remain (73 spots)</p>
<p>Tia is embarrassed by UCLA presence on USC board.
beyphy - Provides anecdotal evidence for why a student wants to go to UCLA, and that students can graduate in 4 years. This has been cited above. Further claims that where prep schools send their graduates is not a good measure of prestige.</p>
<p>Summary Continued:</p>
<p>Page 2:</p>
<p>Seattle - Students at Andover and similar choose to attend USC but not UCLA.
[Phillips</a> Academy - College Matriculations & School Profile](<a href=“http://www.andover.edu/Academics/CollegeCounseling/Pages/SchoolProfileCollegeMatriculations.aspx]Phillips”>http://www.andover.edu/Academics/CollegeCounseling/Pages/SchoolProfileCollegeMatriculations.aspx)
UCLA - 4 over past 5 years
USC - 30 over past 5 years</p>
<p>[Matriculation[/url</a>]
UCLA - 26 over past 5 years
USC - 143 over past 5 years</p>
<p>It would appear that if where elite prep schools send their graduates is the measure of prestige, then USC is more prestigious than UCLA. This is the claim I do not accept.</p>
<p>Tia - provides links to two sets of rankings.</p>
<p>Heavn - Claims USC is better for pre-professional, UCLA for academic fields.</p>
<p>rwe - comments on rankings.</p>
<p>MAKAROV - Personal anecdote of students at his school not choosing USC</p>
<p>Lrn - uses sarcasm poorly.</p>
<p>gametheory - provides the link to phillips academy’s 2010 matriculation list, claiming a coastal bias may be responsible for differences, and notes USC 4 - UCLA 3. Claims there is an inherent difference of public and private, claims USC and UCLA appeal to entirely different groups of people.</p>
<p>just read drax’s post, they include links, and summary at end is:</p>
<p>Where UCLA is better:</p>
<p>-Higher average class rank; higher mean gpa
-Students score higher on grad admissions tests
-Higher rated by bus-sector companies (if I find this I will link)
-Engineering placement
-Better placement for professional grad schools
-Stem baccalaureate to PHD completions
-Bacs recipients who’ve won Nobel, five or so, more intellectual
-Rigor</p>
<p>Where USC is better:</p>
<p>-Scores higher on SAT
-Regards quality of high school, including those of national repute
-More undergrad trade majors
-Better arts departments including film
-Better school spirit</p>
<p>Heavn - agrees to miscommunication, meant trade majors as opposed to pre-professional</p>
<p>UCLAColumbia & overachiever - say USC is for you if you have money but not grades.</p>
<p>aUCLADad - Anecdotal experiences from his son about lack of med students at NYU from USC.</p>
<p>page 3:</p>
<p>b&b - Anecdotal evidence about 3+ students that turned out good from USC, and chose private schools over UCLA and Cal. Claims cost of attendance is lower at USC:</p>
<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/admission/fa/applying_receiving/undergraduates2/costs.html]USC”>http://www.usc.edu/admission/fa/applying_receiving/undergraduates2/costs.html]USC</a> Financial Aid - Applying & Receiving Financial Aid - Undergraduate - Costs](<a href=“Matriculation”>Matriculation)
USC - $57,876
<a href=“http://www.fao.ucla.edu/publications/2012-2013/Estimated_Budget_Figures.pdf[/url]”>http://www.fao.ucla.edu/publications/2012-2013/Estimated_Budget_Figures.pdf</a>
UCLA - $31,999 (Out of state - $54,877)</p>
<p>Empty posts from zippo and UCLAColumbia</p>
<p>b&b - Believes these comparisons will become irrelevant 10 years down the line as far as businesses go. Will not respond to students on this board because they are high schoolers or college students.</p>
<p>UCLADad - COA is still more at USC with the presidential (1/2) scholarship.</p>
<p>Only 1100 students are finalists for presidential/trustee scholarships - [5.5</a> percent of applicants selected as scholarship finalists|Daily Trojan](<a href=“http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/03/5-5-percent-of-applicants-selected-as-scholarship-finalists/]5.5”>5.5 percent of applicants selected as scholarship finalists - Daily Trojan)</p>
<p>I’d assume not all of them get it, and the freshman class is much larger than 1100
[Freshman</a> Profile - USC Undergraduate Admission](<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/admission/undergraduate/apply/fresh_profiles.html]Freshman”>http://www.usc.edu/admission/undergraduate/apply/fresh_profiles.html)</p>
<p>b&b - Agrees UCLA and USC fit for different crowds.</p>
<p>UCLADad - Anecdotal evidence of USC admitting on appeal.
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I have to go to Office Hours, so I’m going to stop here.</p>
<p>The following is a list of counter arguments and facts to the most common UCLA v. USC debates.</p>
<p>I would like to disclose that I am a Trojan '10 and I will be using links to show factual evidence to support my claim to be as unbiased as possible. </p>
<ul>
<li><p>UCLA is ranked higher.
– This is simply not true. According to US News, USC is 23 and UCLA is 25.
[National</a> University Rankings | Top National Universities | US News Best Colleges](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/spp+50]National”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/spp+50) </p></li>
<li><p>UCLA is ranked higher globally.
– No matter how much you personally love the international rankings, US News is the only rankings that people rely on. Look outside the CC community and you will see this. Moreover, good luck on telling the academic community in the northeast that UC,
Riverside is better than Dartmouth. </p></li>
</ul>
<p>102-150 UC Riverside
151-200 Dartmouth </p>
<p>[Academic</a> Ranking of World Universities - 2011| Top 500 universities | Shanghai Ranking - 2011 | World University Ranking - 2011](<a href=“http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2011.html]Academic”>http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2011.html) </p>
<ul>
<li>UCLA has a smarter and higher quality student body.
– FALSE. SAT scores reflect that not only does USC have a smarter student body, but vastly so. </li>
</ul>
<p>USC 2011 Enrolled
SAT Critical Reading 610 – 720<br>
SAT Math 670 – 770<br>
SAT Writing 650 – 740 </p>
<p>UCLA 2011 Enrolled
SAT Critical Reading 560 – 690<br>
SAT Math 610 – 740<br>
SAT Writing 590 – 710 </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.usc.edu/admission/undergraduate/private/1112/USCFreshmanProfile2011v4.pdf[/url]”>http://www.usc.edu/admission/undergraduate/private/1112/USCFreshmanProfile2011v4.pdf</a>
[Profile</a> of Admitted Freshmen, Fall 2011 - UCLA Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof11.htm]Profile”>http://www.admissions.ucla.edu/prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof11.htm) </p>
<ul>
<li>UCLA has a higher enrolled GPA average than USC, and that is a better indicator of academic strength of the student body.
– While UCLA does have a higher GPA average. It is not a better indicator of academic strength of the student body. If this was true, then UCLA and most of the UCs would have a smarter student body than most of the Ivies, which is again not true. I am sorry Bruins, but UCLA and UCSB are not greater than Princeton. </li>
</ul>
<p>UCLA Average GPA 4.25
UCSB Average GPA 3.92
Princeton Average GPA 3.89</p>
<p>[University</a> of California, Los Angeles Overview - CollegeData College Profile](<a href=“http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1093]University”>http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1093)
[University</a> of California, Santa Barbara Overview - CollegeData College Profile](<a href=“http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=635]University”>http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=635)
[Princeton</a> University Overview - CollegeData College Profile](<a href=“http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=111]Princeton”>http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=111) </p>
<ul>
<li><p>UCLA has a safer campus.
– Although, the recent incident near Exposition Park and outside USC was a true tragedy. But, who committed the crime? A BRUIN! Let’s not forgot the tragedy committed by a UCLA student, on campus. Also, are UCLA and UC student really safer when the UC Police are harming students?
Bryan Barnes, Accused of USC Murders, Claims UCLA Allegiance: [Bryan</a> Barnes, Accused of USC Murders, Claims UCLA Allegiance: Party Crew Tied to Suspects - Los Angeles News - The Informer](<a href=“http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/05/bryan_barnes_ucla_party_crew_usc_murder.php]Bryan”>http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/05/bryan_barnes_ucla_party_crew_usc_murder.php)
UCLA Stabbing: [Ucla</a> Murder | UCLA student is charged with attempted murder in attack - Los Angeles Times](<a href=“http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct/14/local/me-ucla-stabbing14]Ucla”>http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct/14/local/me-ucla-stabbing14)
UCLA Pepper Spray: [UCLA</a> STUDENTS OUTRAGED, POLICE USE PEPPER SPRAY ON STUDENTS - YouTube](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNLZa0wpgck]UCLA”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNLZa0wpgck)
UCLA Tazing: [Cops</a> Taser UCLA Student - ABC News](<a href=“http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=2662158&page=1]Cops”>http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=2662158&page=1) </p></li>
<li><p>UCLA has a better faculty.
– UCLA currently has 2 Nobels on staff. One is at the medical school and the other is in his 90s. Further, both USC and UCLA have not produced a Nobel since the 90s. However, USC has the financial means to buy transformative faculty.
[Nobel</a> Laureates | UCLA](<a href=“http://www.ucla.edu/about/awards-and-honors/faculty/nobel-laureates]Nobel”>http://www.ucla.edu/about/awards-and-honors/faculty/nobel-laureates)
[Nobel</a> Laureates | About USC](<a href=“http://about.usc.edu/faculty-distinctions/nobel-laureates/]Nobel”>http://about.usc.edu/faculty-distinctions/nobel-laureates/)
[Southern</a> California Pulls a Leading Stem-Cell Researcher From Harvard - People - The Chronicle of Higher Education](<a href=“http://chronicle.com/article/Southern-California-Pulls-a/131733/?sid=at&utm_source=at&utm_medium=en]Southern”>http://chronicle.com/article/Southern-California-Pulls-a/131733/?sid=at&utm_source=at&utm_medium=en)
[USC</a> Dornsife New Faculty 2011-12 > USC Dana and David Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences](<a href=“http://dornsife.usc.edu/new-faculty-2011-12/]USC”>http://dornsife.usc.edu/new-faculty-2011-12/)
[USC</a> News](<a href=“http://news.usc.edu/#!/article/34248/kay-named-new-dean-of-usc-dornsife/]USC”>http://news.usc.edu/#!/article/34248/kay-named-new-dean-of-usc-dornsife/) </p></li>
<li><p>UCLA has Westwood.<br>
– Congrats! Yes you guys do. Westwood also has tons of vacancies. However, starting NEXT YEAR, USC will break ground on the Village at USC.
[The</a> Village at USC](<a href=“http://village.usc.edu/]The”>http://village.usc.edu/) </p></li>
<li><p>UCLA has a better campus.
– I believe this is a matter of opinion. LA Times and their Festival of Books committee seems to think that USC has a better one. Though, UCLA does have a quite beautiful central campus, but the majority of the facilities were built in the 60s and are very dated. Where USC also has a beautiful central campus, and is continuously transforming and renovating the campus with a major capital campaign.
[Festival</a> Of Books Usc | Times Festival of Books will move to USC - Los Angeles Times](<a href=“http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/23/local/la-me-0923-book-festival-20100923]Festival”>http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/23/local/la-me-0923-book-festival-20100923)
<a href=“http://www.aim.ucla.edu/prof02/bldgs.pdf[/url]”>http://www.aim.ucla.edu/prof02/bldgs.pdf</a>
[USC</a> Ronald Tutor Campus Center](<a href=“http://sait.usc.edu/campuscenter/]USC”>http://sait.usc.edu/campuscenter/)
[USC</a> News](<a href=“http://news.usc.edu/#!/article/34159/usc-announces-8-million-gift-for-new-aquatics-center/]USC”>http://news.usc.edu/#!/article/34159/usc-announces-8-million-gift-for-new-aquatics-center/)
[Images</a> of New Annenberg Building Released | ATVN](<a href=“http://www.atvn.org/news/2011/11/images-new-annenberg-building-released]Images”>http://www.atvn.org/news/2011/11/images-new-annenberg-building-released)
[USC</a> News](<a href=“http://news.usc.edu/#!/article/28245/Dauterive-s-Gift-Names-New-Social-Sciences-Building/]USC”>http://news.usc.edu/#!/article/28245/Dauterive-s-Gift-Names-New-Social-Sciences-Building/)
[USC</a> News](<a href=“http://news.usc.edu/#!/article/28626/A-New-Campus-Clubhouse]USC”>http://news.usc.edu/#!/article/28626/A-New-Campus-Clubhouse)
[The</a> Village at USC](<a href=“http://village.usc.edu/]The”>http://village.usc.edu/)
[Immediate</a> Support for Capital Projects | Giving to USC](<a href=“http://campaign.usc.edu/campaign/campaign-priorities/immediate-support-for-capital-projects/]Immediate”>http://campaign.usc.edu/campaign/campaign-priorities/immediate-support-for-capital-projects/) </p></li>
<li><p>UCLA is more well known internationally,
– I would say it is a wash. Yes, UCLA ranks at the top in the reputation ranks, but ask yourself is that because UCLA is amazing or because it has LA in its name? Further, USC consistently enrolls the most international students than any other university. So, again, I would call it a wash.
<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/reputation-rankings.html[/url]”>http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/reputation-rankings.html</a>
[USC</a> enrolls the most international students in the nation - Los Angeles Times](<a href=“http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/14/local/la-me-1114-foreign-students-20111114]USC”>http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/14/local/la-me-1114-foreign-students-20111114) </p></li>
<li><p>UCLA is the most applied to university.
– Yes and USC is ranked among the top dream schools among parents and students. The only other schools to appear on both list are Harvard, Stanford, Princeton and MIT.
[College</a> Hopes and Worries](<a href=“http://www.princetonreview.com/college-hopes-worries.aspx]College”>http://www.princetonreview.com/college-hopes-worries.aspx) </p></li>
<li><p>UCLA has a better engineering program.
– FALSE. You must be confusing yourself with Cal. It seems to happen a lot with UCLA.
[Top</a> Engineering Schools | Best Engineering Programs | US News](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools]Top”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools) </p></li>
<li><p>UCLA is cheaper than USC.
– When comparing sticker price, yes, absolutely. However, more than 60% of USC’s student body receives financial aid. Also, USC has the largest financial aid budget than any other university. Moreover, USC meets 100% financial need. That means that USC can bring down the sticker price to either match or lower the cost their price compared to UCLA. For example, I come from a upper-middle class family in Orange County and USC cost me 17k a year for total Cost of Attendance, where UCLA would have cost me 28k per year. I have several friends that have paid less than $10k for their entire education, can the UCs match that. Doubtful.
[News</a> Releases](<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/newsroom/news_release.php?id=2690]News”>http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/newsroom/news_release.php?id=2690) </p></li>
<li><p>Fact: USC grads make more.
– [Top</a> US Colleges ? Graduate Salary Statistics](<a href=“http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp]Top”>http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp)
[USC</a> Financial Aid](<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/admission/fa/]USC”>http://www.usc.edu/admission/fa/) </p></li>
<li><p>Fact: More companies recruit at USC.<br>
– [Career</a> Fair | USC Career Center](<a href=“http://careers.usc.edu/students/career-fair/]Career”>http://careers.usc.edu/students/career-fair/)
[UCLA</a> Career Center](<a href=“http://career.ucla.edu/Students/CareerFairs/ArchivesPreviousFairs/Spring2012_CareerRoundup_WedMay2.aspx]UCLA”>http://career.ucla.edu/Students/CareerFairs/ArchivesPreviousFairs/Spring2012_CareerRoundup_WedMay2.aspx)
[UCLA</a> Career Center](<a href=“http://career.ucla.edu/students/CareerFairs/ArchivesPreviousFairs/Fall2011_JobsForBruins.aspx]UCLA”>http://career.ucla.edu/students/CareerFairs/ArchivesPreviousFairs/Fall2011_JobsForBruins.aspx) </p></li>
<li><p>USC is weak in the Letters Arts and Sciences.
– Yes, while USC’s strengths are in their professional schools, the recent $200 million dollar donation will transform the faculty and thus the rankings of the college.
Think of it this way, UCSD can rival and even surpass UCLA in the LAS, and $200 million is over 35% of their ENTIRE endowment. Keep in mind UCSD balances a top medical school on that endowment as well. USC will use that gift wisely and has, please see Dornsife new faculty link.
[University</a> of California, San Diego - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ucsd]University”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ucsd)
[David</a> Dornsife | Couple to give record $200-million gift to USC - Los Angeles Times](<a href=“http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/09/local/la-me-0309-usc-gift-20110309]David”>http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/09/local/la-me-0309-usc-gift-20110309) </p></li>
<li><p>Fact: USC has a lower student faculty ratio
– USC 9:1, UCLA 16:1
[USC</a> | University of Southern California | Best College | US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/usc-1328]USC”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/usc-1328)
<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315[/url]”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315</a></p></li>
<li><p>Fact: USC Football is King – I had to 
– 50-0, Biggest Blowout in Series History
[USC</a> Vs. UCLA: Trojans’ 50-0 Win Third Biggest Blowout In Series History - SB Nation Los Angeles](<a href=“http://losangeles.sbnation.com/usc-trojans/2011/11/27/2589282/usc-vs-ucla-trojans-50-0-third-biggest-blowout-series-history]USC”>http://losangeles.sbnation.com/usc-trojans/2011/11/27/2589282/usc-vs-ucla-trojans-50-0-third-biggest-blowout-series-history)</p></li>
</ul>
<p>Modernman, everything you have listed is not factual. They are merely biased. Please stop acting like a child and saying that USC is better than UCLA. They are both great schools, and they are equal to each other. I had the privilege of getting full rides to both USC and UCLA, visited both campuses, and ended up choosing UCLA instead because of better opportunities for my major. USC superscores their SATs which boosts their data while UCLA doesnt. Also, USC does not consider environmental issues among applicants while UCLA will admit 3.0-3.4 GPA students; something that USC does not want to do because they do not care where the students backgrounds are from and will lower their average GPA statistics. I can list more things that really do against everything you say like how the 18th street gang, the harpies, and the powlies are literally next to the USC campus while UCLA does not have any gigantic gangs near to it. </p>
<p>But overall, I am not going to say one school is better than the other because I like both schools and I would not mind attending USC for graduate school.</p>
<p>Correction the murders were not bruins, but bruin fans.</p>
<p>Trojan Class of '10 eh? And they created a new graduate, an educated, thinking, intelligent person who says things like </p>
<pre><code> “But, who committed the crime? A BRUIN! Let’s not forgot the tragedy committed by a
UCLA student, on campus.”
</code></pre>
<p>What a great testament to the superiority and successes of your Alma-mater. To have produced such a scholar and contributor to society, a true philosopher, a master of logic and compassion – it truly proves all your points. You are your own best evidence.</p>
<p>Again with personal attacks Try bringing something to the table or disputing something.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Nice try. It would be very advantageous for you to remove the legitimacy of every non-USNWR ranking since none of them, at least the academic ones, support that USC is ranked higher than UCLA. Since your statement isn’t based on any fact though, it’s easily dismissible.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>not sure what “washes” are, but find me one international ranking where USC’s higher than UCLA?</p>
<p>Let’s look at a few examples:</p>
<p>Recruitment:
[Education</a> - Image - NYTimes.com](<a href=“Education - Image - NYTimes.com”>Education - Image - NYTimes.com)</p>
<p>Reputation:
[Top</a> Universities by Reputation 2012](<a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/reputation-rankings.html]Top”>World Reputation Rankings 2012 | Times Higher Education (THE))</p>
<p>Research:
[Performance</a> Ranking of Scientific Papers for World Universities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“Performance Ranking of Scientific Papers for World Universities - Wikipedia”>Performance Ranking of Scientific Papers for World Universities - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>And let’s not get into issues like safety. I don’t think anyone seriously believes UCLA is equally as dangerous as USC. In a bit of an unrelated matter though, i wonder what effect that recent shooting incident had on USC’s matriculants </p>
<p>You’re argument on UCLA students not being smarter than USC students also seems inconsistent, unless you seriously believe that SATs are an indication of students being smarter where as GPA is not. (Since both seem to be indicators, you don’t seem to be able to make the case in USC’s favor.)</p>
<p>One awesome thing USC does have is the expoline though. When the culver city station opens up this summer, it’ll give USC students at least some decent access to the west side. (yay for downtown culver city!)</p>
<p>Alright I didn’t want to get involved but here I go… Typical ucla person not knowing what a wash is. A wash, or push, is essentially a draw, or to be more simplistic, it’s a tie. Also, the iPhone auto-capitalizes USC, but not ucla. So scooooooop. Nothing says prestige like iPhone respect.</p>
<p>I don’t understand why people are getting so personal. </p>
<p>I am currently a student at UC Berkeley studying applied mathematics, accepted as a transfer to UCLA, waiting on USC at the moment. </p>
<p>@kaizera15 you know, when you call someone childish for listing SOURCES, you lose credit in your post. But I do respect you for keeping an open mind about both schools. Also, USC does care about background. Every school in the top 25 would definitely care about background. </p>
<p>I’m not saying I agree 100% with what @ModernMan posted, but he listed out sources from usnews, which in fact is a credible source.</p>
<p>At this time, I would choose USC over UCLA. And as many have mentioned before, UCLA is in fact ranked higher in just about every ranking besides UsNews. Well, look at it this way, many other ranking sources such as QS, Princeton, or Forbes have a very odd ranking structure. They ranked UC Berkeley above couple of the Ivy’s, which does not make sense whatsoever. I’ve even seen rankings where they place Berkeley in front of Yale and Princeton. </p>
<p>Again, which school is better is strongly based on your major. For me, I know that studying applied math at UCLA is a stronger option than USC. But, USC can offer a stronger, more well rounded education and in general, students are a lot happier than what I’ve seen at UCLA. (UCBerkeley students are miserable in my department) haha. </p>
<p>People take offense of rankings, when honestly, USC and UCLA shine in their own areas. For me, I LOVE the fact USC is in the more run down part of LA. It creates a stronger community because well, USC is practically a bubble. I much prefer that over UCLA.</p>
<p>As someone posted earlier, med school at NYU, you’re right, UCLA would probably shine in this area. But again, it really depends on your major.</p>
<p>The idea that only rich kids go to USC, is ridiculous in today’s time. USC has A LOT of money, especially with the constant alumni donations. Many students I know at USC are living through grants, and/or on the edge. But most importantly, they’re extremely happy with their education, and ultimately will in fact get employed, which is where it counts. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, a ranking is just a number. UCLA and USC are known internationally. Besides, how many graduates actually plan to move out of the country…Both schools create graduates that mainly decide to live in California. </p>
<p>Both awesome schools, waiting on USC, going there if accepted. I know it’s not the smartest choice, and I’m not rich in any way, but if I put aside rankings and such, I truly value what USC has to offer over UCLA. Unlike most people on this thread, I’ll never look down on UCLA. It’s a top school.</p>
<p>Also, I forgot to address. I KNOW that UC Berkeley is the best for the major I’m currently in. (Applied Math) But I’m not happy here. I’m stressed 24/7, barely holding a 3.7 gpa. I prefer to be happy over a ranking any day. (As long as I’ll still get a job and start a family one day!)</p>
<p>You want to use USNews? Take a look at this list, published by - guess who? USNews:
[World’s</a> Best Universities; Top 400 Universities in the World | US News](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world]World’s”>http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world)</p>
<p>Can we all agree that USC is better in some aspects, and UCLA is better in some aspects, and students will choose which one to attend (assuming they got in to both) based upon their interests? For every set of rankings that show UCLA is higher, there will be another methodology that shows USC is better. UCLA and USC serve different needs of the community and what each of them do well, they do as one of the best in the world. Nobody is going to argue (I hope) that UCLA’s mathematics and physics are top programs, just like nobody should argue that USC’s business program is not one of the top programs.</p>
<p>^i agree 10 char</p>
<p>You must be joking if you find the USNEWS to be a reliable source of ranking colleges. 10% of their scoring goes for international proportions, 20% goes to faculty citations, and 20% to faculty student ratio. That is a whole 50% taken into account. So why should an awesome college be penalized for not having a large international body or that their faculty does not do any citations, but rather teach students? If you look at it in this methodology, then I guess USC should have that +2 rank because it has more international proportions than UCLA, amirite? Yeah, USC definitely has a smaller faculty ratio proportion because its a private school, so lets penalize public schools in the ranking because it is simply a public school !</p>
<p>Lets just keep believing this methodology is really significant in ranking universities other than methodologies that rely 100% on academics. Woo, go USNEWS !</p>
<p>For the record, currently, I believe USC and UCLA are equals. But, USC has great promise and trajectory.</p>
<p>This is what my boss at my company told me: (Note: he didn’t go to UCLA or U$C.)</p>
<p>He’s interviewed many graduates from U$C, and none of them (not even a few) could write a proper cover letter when applying for jobs. </p>
<p>One of my boss’ professors at his college (again, not UCLA or U$C) told him that when he taught at U$C, his department put pressure on him to give out as many A’s as possible because the students pay a lot of money to go to U$C.</p>
<p>Well, since a large number of posters in this thread seems to be well versed in both colleges, I’d like to ask a few questions…
- I want to go premed (bio, biochem, or chem) and I wish to know which is stronger in the sciences.
- I heard that UCLA is quite poor at giving financial aid and merit scholarships, whereas I’m eligible for automatic half tuition, possibly full tuition as USC (nat’l merit). So how much money does LA typically hand out?
Cost is a huge factor, as I am anticipating to go on to medical school, so I want as little debt as possible. I originally was in love with UCLA, but the cost just turned me away, I guess. Then I learned of USC’s generous scholarships and am leaning towards them now.</p>
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