@momneeds2no I have already saved it down as a .pdf because I’m sure someone will be taking it down soon!! We will try to keep the faith ~ haven’t heard much noise about architecture yet, but it’s crazy competitive. Thanks for your input! 
are you 100% certain about this??? I’m so tired of checking my portal and seeing the same message everyyy time. who knows at this point it could say accepted or rejected & i wouldn’t even know because my eyes are so accustomed to the sameeee “no determination has been made at this time” spiel
@nickstud650 and @strawshort, there’s no evidence that Cal Poly passes over students based on their Zip Codes or High Schools because they know those students “have other (and probably better choices).” That’s @momneeds2no’s personal theory that she developed after her daughter was rejected. She’s said so in the past forum posts and offered NO evidence to support it. Cal Poly was her daughter’s first choice and she herself was very positive on Poly until her daughter didn’t get in.
These truths I can tell you.
Poly, along with every other selective California state school is seeking to attract OOS applicants. That’s how they meet their budgets. The state is in a financial mess because the people radically cut tax revenue, but the pols keep on spending. It’s no secret. UCB froze instate spots to open more for OOS students. Like it or not, it is what it is. Lots of other state schools, Michigan among them, do the same.
Poly accepts ED first, roughly 20% and then they split RD into 65/35. They offer admissions without non-academic adders and then recalculate MCA with the new adders and round out the final 35%. Fair or not, I’m not here to say, but it does allow for some students with lesser stats to displace ones with higher stats.
It’s possible that they manage yield on a rolling basis, but I doubt it, because they’ve missed, pretty big in the last few years. If they do though, it’s much more likely by MCA than any secret sauce related to Zip or HS that has yet to reveal itself.
Last, and definitely not least, if you get into Poly, great. But, if you don’t…great too. Eighty percent of respondents year in and year out say they are happy with their school choice after they’ve graduated from college. That’s irrespective of where their school fit on their original ranking. You’ll do great no matter where you go. School is FAR more about what you make of it than the name of the school itself.
Fingers crossed.
@eyemgh do u think acceptances for in-state people are for the most part over?
Also as you said in an earlier there are few taken off the waitlist so they pretty much know who they want knowing they will not have all students they offer accept and build that into the model. If all students accepted it would be quite the mess.
@nickstud650, no I don’t think they’re over.
@Baylorpoly, the wait list is a hedge for overestimating yield and not having enough students to fill their spots. Let’s say they want to fill 100 spots of major X that classically yields 33% admission (I.e. 1of 3 accepted choose to actually go to cal poly). That means they accept 300. In years where more than 100 say yes, then they create triples and overflow into PCV. In years where they go below 100, they offer off the wait list. They were actively trying to up enrollment and mow are trying to stabilize.
@eyemgh so do you think that there’s still a significant amount of acceptances (for in state) to go out, and that they are indeed just sending them out in batches not specifically by major?
you seem like a very credible source.
@eyemgh Please provide support for your theory that demographic qualifiers (zip code, high school, etc) are not weighted components of Cal Poly’s proprietary fully automated admissions algorithm. Links are appreciated. Thanks.
While you may doubt it, Cal Poly timing of admission decisions is an attempt to manage yield. the link for detailing how yield is managed on rolling basis and the signaling qualifiers is posted above.
Because my daughter was rejected by Cal Poly, has zero bearing on my ability to understand and evaluate targeted statistical outcomes. Google the term “mutually exclusive”.
Some posters on this thread are asking the same questions I did three years ago. I feel they are due a reasonable explanation. Cal Poly is a publicly funded state institution which, in my opinion, should be forthcoming with its admissions protocol.
Is this style of defensive posturing and superiority indicative of Cal Poly’s culture? Is only one theory available for discussion? Are alternate hypothesis, supported by fact and historical data, not allowed?
Admissions process should be transparent and those admissions office should be able to give straight answers as to when decisions are released and for who. The table about the date accepted emails are sent out is helpful. Does that mean more can be accepted after the emails of acceptances go out on the 23rd for OOS and the 25th for in state?
How Han I prove a negative? Your theory, in your own words, is purely speculation. When you have concrete evidence, then I’m more than willing to consider changing my view on how things work at Poly. In the mean time it would be nice if you didn’t show up at this time of the year, every year, simply to inflame the poor students who have yet to hear from CP. It’s a stressful time. The last thing they need is disingenuous, unverifiable speculation to further fuel their anxiety. I don’t know everything, but I only post what I have evidence for. I’d suggest in the name of helping the students and families who try to rely on this forum, that you do the same.
@momneeds2no said:
03-05-2013 at 10:51 am
This is what I suspect. Purely speculation. I think Cal ply segments the applicant pool accordingly.
- a certain number of qualified out of staters. (increases revenue per student)But yield for this group is probably below average.
- a small portion of super crazy high stat kids (to drive-up the average accepted applicant stat.) a good number of these kids will also have IVY and UCB?UCLA?UCSD and full ride acceptances, so yield for this group is low.
- Then the “target applicants” are accepted. (to drive up yield) these are the kids that, based upon historical stats and answers to suplimental questions (WORK?EC,ZIP CODE and High School), will most likely attend and not transfer out.
Cal Poly waits to see how many send kid deposits and commit. Then, the second wave goes out.
The idea is to make as much $$ per student, show high stats, high yield and competitive admissions rates.
If CalPloly only offered admission to the most qualified students (based purely on GPA?SAT) then yield would be low and accepted:applied ratio would be high. Making CAL POLY appear less competitive on paper. "less competitive schools draw less OOS applicants and less employment recruiters.
The idea is build a demand based upon manipulated admissions stats.
For those lucky enough to fall within the “high yield band” congrats!!!
Rest assured Cal Poly is admissions procedure is a higly calculated game based upon historical yield models.
I have no problem with conjecture as long as it’s labeled as such. There’s no doubt that Poly’s roll out of acceptances is odd. Lots of what Poly does is odd. Look at the three different websites you need to navigate to schedule classes as one example.
I have a problem when that conjecture is labeled as factual.
My theory on rollout is two fold. First it’s known that RD happens in two phases. The first 65% is based on the MCA with just academics + ECs. Then they rerank based on the above PLUS the non-academic social adders. You can argue the rightness or wrongness of this. I clearly see both sides.
Then I have little doubt that they try to manage yield. EVERY SCHOOL ON THE PLANET DOES. What I’ve seen no evidence of is the exclusion theory you are supporting. It’s fine as a theory. You just report it as fact.
I also question your objectivity (everyone should question mine too. My son is a student there and likes it. That automatically makes me biased.) To go from Cal Poly being your daughter’s number one choice, the cat’s pajamas to CP is just HS version 2 and my daughter had a panic attack when she saw the dorms and that’s why she went to a better school, smacks of rank hypocrisy.
I can understand your disappointment and it’s natural to denigrate something you’ve been rejected from. The fact is though that a handful of us have done a lot of work to find hard evidence of the underpinnings of CP’s admission process specifically to understand if there is some black box hidden agenda. To date, nothing has been found. Based on all the available evidence at hand, the simplest answer is that your daughter’s MCA was below the cutoff.
@maxy101, I don’t know. Based on historic precedent, they push a bunch out in a specific order, then trickle a few more for a few weeks, then it goes quiet. I wish I could tell you more, but without solid evidence, I don’t want to resort to just guessing. Good luck.
@eyengh You seem to be dedicating considerable efforts towards discrediting an contrary “opinion”.
The issue is Cal Polys “non-disclosure” of admissions protocol, which brings into light serious ethical questions regarding CSU oversight and misuse of public funds. This is public and should be available to all California residents, regardless of where the attend college. My masters was granted by a CSU so I have some first hand experience.
Comments about the forced triples, stand as they were based upon mine and my daughters opinion.
Another point of fact (which no bearing on the facts at hand). Evidently your detailed (yet odd) research of three years of my past posts missed a salient info: I have more than one child. The oldest was rejected by Cal Ploy. since you’ve read thru all my post you probably know the others’ connections to Cal Poly.
Have a wonderful day weeding through historical comments on college confidential. LOL.
@eyemgh so the chances are slim but nonetheless still a chance?
The door continues to close but isn’t closed yet
@nickstud650, I wish I could tell you. Obviously it would be better if you were in by now, but what your remaining chance is, I just don’t know.
@eyemgh Please get hired and be the mole that gets to the bottom of all of this
:))
Become the Cal Poly’s version of Fox Mulder. This is a big X file