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<p>I am completely serious. Early childhood education can make a big difference in children’s readiness for kindergarten. The literature is pretty clear on this–and the benefits can be even greater for poor kids, who are less likely to have access to it.</p>
<p>Proudpatriot, do you agree that private businesses have the right to set prices for their products? And that they can choose to give their products away at a discount or for free as they see fit? I am guessing you do. Why can you not accept private universities’ rights to do the same?</p>
<p>I accept that they have the right to do whatever they want. I also accept that I have the right to not like it. Do you accept my right not to like it?</p>
<p>Absolutely! And I respect your right to “take your business elsewhere” if you think their practices are unfair or unethical according to your own standards.</p>
<p>Proudpatriot, I think there are a lot of similarities.</p>
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<p>"Why does it matter to me?</p>
<p>Because it drives up the cost of education for everyone. "</p>
<p>Surely airlines offering reduced rates for bereavement results in higher ticket costs for others. Similarly, both passengers will end up at the same destination, but arrived due to different circumstances and one paid less than the other. I also can’t imagine the full fare paying passenger wanting to trade places with the other.</p>
<p>"Why can you not accept private universities’ rights to do the same? "</p>
<p>Its well recognized that if a institution is taking Federal funds that they need to comply with Federal civil rights rules. Grove City v Bell. </p>
<p>That why the HYPs filed a panicky brief in the U Texas case.</p>
<p>They are hardly “panicky.” It’s not as though their applicant base is going to dry up or wither away.</p>
<p>Asking your kid to do their homework isnt “intense preparation” either.</p>
<p>The bereavement fare analogy seems to me more like a person who paid full tuition because they applied at the last minute and missed the deadline for the “discount fares” (scholarship $).</p>
<p>I think the better analogy for Proudpatriot’s perspective is this: increasing fuel costs are leading to increased ticket prices for everyone. Part of the reason for the costs going up is the increasing weight of passengers. But the airlines don’t want to price-discriminate and charge heavier passengers more than lighter ones, or refuse to let obese people fly on their planes. PP is like a lightweight passenger who resents the obese people sitting around him on the plane and being charged the same fares he is, but he feels powerless to do anything about it.</p>
<p>The bereavement fare analogy sucks too. Anyone can get a bereavement fare (“what about the orphans!”) but there is nothing that a student can do to get themselves a ADCOM 300 point SAT preference doled out to URMs.</p>
<p>^Oh, please. How many middle/upper-middle/upper-class students only scored 300 points higher because their parents bought all the SAT prep books and sent them to SAT prep classes and hired SAT tutors and paid for their kids to take the test three or four times?</p>
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<p>It must just so suck not be guaranteed admission to HYPSM, because goodness knows therein lies the meaning of life.</p>
<p>I am a woman. I really don’t sit around resenting people all day. I just don’t think the current model is a good one.</p>
<p>Talk about missing the point …</p>
<p>Yes, anyone can get a bereavement fare if they were willing to deal with all the consequences. Seriously, the point is that I can’t imagine anyone wanting to trade places with a poor family just to get the free tuition in much the same way as I can’t imagine anyone being jealous of a person paying less for their ticket because a family member died. They get additional benefits such as a flexible return date too … </p>
<p>I can’t imagine having an income sufficient to be full pay and being angry that some students are being given a “free ride.” </p>
<p>Another analogy, which means that there are some similarities and naturally some differences, is being angry about having to buy a recreational vehicle while others are being given free FEMA trailers.</p>
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<p>If you read the SAT thread you’ll see that people really dont see an advantage the SAT classes. You need practice test, tons of which are available on line or CB will give you the Blue Book free if you are low income. You also get vouchers to take the test multiple times for free. What you need is practice tests, a pencil and studying and that doesnt cost. The best advice is consolidated on CC and that is free too. </p>
<p>" But the airlines don’t want to price-discriminate and charge heavier passengers more than lighter ones, or refuse to let obese people fly on their planes. "</p>
<p>Ugh- if this is the best you guys have just please stop. You want to discriminate for your own reasons ok, but you are not going to convince anyone with these rationales. </p>
<p>The limiting factor is space, not weight. A 747 already weights over 300 tons so the weight of a particular person is irrelevant. A 747-400 could have all of the passengers be over 600 lbs without exceeding the max takeoff weight. </p>
<p>And the airlines already have a surcharge for the limited quantity- space. You can get hit with a charge for an extra seat if you are too big. And rows with extra legroom or premium seats already have a surcharge.</p>
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<p>I don’t know. How many? </p>
<p>I often see assertions of this sentiment, without any reliable proof. In searching the internet, I’ve found a couple of studies which seem to imply the impact of testing is around 30 points.</p>
<p>[SAT</a> Coaching Found to Boost Scores – Barely - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124278685697537839.html]SAT”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124278685697537839.html)
<a href=“http://nepc.colorado.edu/files/Briggs_Theeffectofadmissionstestpreparation.pdf[/url]”>http://nepc.colorado.edu/files/Briggs_Theeffectofadmissionstestpreparation.pdf</a></p>
<p>I think not applying for financial aid would have a much greater effect on one’s chances of admission than increasing one’s SAT score by 30 points.</p>
<p>argbargy: Sorry, not good enough. If I am a low-income student I probably have to work outside of school when the test is offered and when my more fortunate friends are studying for it. I probably don’t have a computer at home. I probably don’t have a quiet place to take the practice tests.</p>
<p>You are completely wrong about the obesity issue. The more a plane weighs, the faster it burns fuel. Fuel usage has soared in recent years as passengers have become heavier. Airlines now charge a fee for heavy bags but only recently have begun looking at charging people more based on their weight. Yes, asking people to buy two seats compensates for this but most of the time this is not what is happening.</p>
<p>PP: sorry I called you a “he.”</p>
<p>Periwinkle, these boards are full of posts from students who raised their scores 150, 200, 300 points by studying hard and retaking the test until they got the desired result. Again, this is a luxury of time that a lot of poor kids don’t have.</p>
<p>argbargy, do you or do you not believe that admissions to elite colleges should be weighted primarily towards SAT (or similar test) performance - rack and stack 'em?</p>