<p>“Not perfect, but useful in categorisation. I couldn’t understand how you could possibly get in the 500s if you’d taken ANY advanced classes, I’m sorry to say. I have to be honest, that’s just plain… bad?”</p>
<p>^I was referring to him indianboy.</p>
<p>“But how is grammar rules in anyway an indicator of how smart you are? What because you can understand when to use different pronouns?”</p>
<p>Linguistic and in turn grammatical abilities are, in part, a result of intelligence. Grammar is an integral aspect in clear communication. Your post is littered with grammatical errors; luckily, most of these do not inhibit the conveyance. But they do support your score in the relevant area.</p>
<p>Let me sum up everything:</p>
<p>Vocab memorization is worthless.</p>
<p>Math problesm that are so easy that if you accidentally misread one of the numerous questions, you will get a lower score and suffer the 1/4 penalty.</p>
<p>Essay in 25 minutes what were they thinking…</p>
<p>Choose THE BEST answer questions which is what the COLLEGEBOARD thinks is the best, when ususally the college board people are old scientists living in a basement.</p>
<p>1/4 penalty FOR TRYING. The more you know without completely knowing how to do something the higher the odds that you will get a lower score for trying then someone who does not know anything at all. That’s smart.</p>
<p>All this adding together makes a pretty worthless test. Take the ACT. when the SAT becomes actually a viable test and not just an advertisement campaign, then it will be a fair test.</p>
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<p>Vocab memorization is not worthless. Having a sophisticated vocabulary allows one to communicate ideas more effectively, an essential skill for success in college. </p>
<p>Math problems that are generally easy? They’re logic based questions, and some of them can be a bit tricky, if you don’t focus. That’s why you focus, and don’t accidentally misread the questions. And if you were to excel at math (which is the impression I’m getting from you since you think so highly of yourself as to think yourself qualified to objectively bash on a widely used, widely researched system), you would know that “accidentally misreading” a question or three won’t add on the extra docked point from the 1/4 guessing penalty.</p>
<p>An essay in 25 minutes? This is for the sake of getting your grade out in time. Do you know how long it takes to grade two page (max) essays? How about 1.5 million of those? How about 4-5 page ones from an hour-long test? Do you really think you have enough to say to fill up that much? 25 minutes is adequate for a 2 page essay, and with practice, coming up with an argument takes less and less time.</p>
<p>Furthermore, how do you know that the collegeboard people are “old scientists living in a basement?” Contrary to what you think, they go over their answers countless times, looking at all sides of the argument for every “debatable” answer. If they weren’t careful with making sure that there is a powerful argument for an answer, they would be in big ****, because that would affect the scores of a million+ test-takers. (And the only truly debatable answers on the test won’t knock you down to a 500-600, buddy.)</p>
<p>I do agree with you that the entire collegeboard SAT thing is a money-grubbing (I don’t care if they’re “non-profit,” $8 for early AP scores when they could just upload the scores online?) system, but it is undoubtedly a system that (though not perfect) adequately measures intelligence, work ethic, and communication-skills - all skills needed in college.</p>
<p>“And sorry if I sounded harsh to the OP, but you’re bragging about how smart you are with an 100% in an English class…that can be very easy if your teacher gives busy work. My English classes the past 2 years (both AP) have had no homework taken for points, just homework that you are supposed to do to prepare yourself. Tests are 10 essay questions, 10 points each. Seeing as you got a 540 on the English SAT, I don’t think you’d get 100% in this version of AP English.” by Tmac 18 </p>
<p>as another person stated tho he just have a bad school seriously getting 100% in AP Eng?</p>
<p>btw my school does not have any AP classes (so i do not know much about AP classes) at all rather our regular classes are just as hard as AP classes (at least thats what they say) though we do have english honors</p>
<p>I only think SAT CR and Math should be considered</p>
<p>writing section is complete BS made for specific ppl(groups) and noobs who took classes</p>
<p>Yes im ranting</p>
<p>I AM DONE WITH THE SAT</p>
<p>SCREW WRITING I WILL TAKE MY 1560/1600 CR + M and go home.</p>
<p>My dam writing is 730, And it caused me to get a 2290 instead of a 2300+
im through with this crap</p>
<p>As for the OP’s Argument…</p>
<p>here is a real example</p>
<p>I moved from A good school in CA to a crappy school in KS </p>
<p>in KS I got a 4.333 W
when I moved back to CA I got a 3.00W</p>
<p>Grades tell nothing</p>
<p>sorry this was so disorganized</p>
<p>I just decided to cancel taking my final Dec. SAT and am feeling so free right now.</p>
<p>To the OP: 540 on the CR section and a 100% in an AP English class does not compute. Not to mention, how is it possible for you to get 100% in AP English anyways? My teacher is incredibly nit-picky when it comes to grading essays.</p>
<p>I think this situation is a testament to the discrepancy in difficulty levels of AP courses. At some schools, AP classes are barely a step up from the regular equivalent. At others, mine, for instance, they demand an absolute ton of work and, even, dare I say it, natural ability. The proof is in the outcomes. You have some one with a 97% in their “AP” English class who scores a 2 or 3 on the AP exam and in the lower five hundreds on the critical reading portion of the SAT, and, clearly, there is a major league disconnect. Unless an individual is hurling in between sections, it is unlikely for him/her to score significantly below his/her ability level. Additionally, if a student is truly gifted, whether in the humanities or mathematics, he/she could pull a 700+ without the AP class, without preparation. Innate, raw talent needs no fancy smancy “Advanced Placement” title. Also, if this is full of grammatical mistakes, I apologize in advance :)</p>
<p>OP: you’re just stupid and never getting into HYPSM or any top school cuz your SAT scores suck. end of discussion</p>
<p>grades/ecs are more important, GIVEN that you already have stellar sats</p>
<p>why don’t you try studying for the SAT next time? if your grades aren’t inflated, there’s no reason you would score 500s, even without studying</p>
<p>^Agreed.</p>
<p>But I don’t know why people complain about writing essays in 25 minutes. It’s plenty of time. SAT graders hardly analyze depth of discussion. As long as the essay is grammatically correct and indicates “intelligence”, and I say this with utmost caution, then it’ll be fine.</p>
<p>English has become so informal that people use improper English in both writing and speech now. It’s terrible. </p>
<p>I mean, hardly anyone says, “I am as good as he is” - People say, “I am as good as him”. And people constantly say, “So that’s like so totally like awesome…” “like, like,like” - Grammar is important and necessary, to an extent.</p>
<p>SAT Math tests basic math that is necessary for most jobs.</p>
<p>But yeah, I have no more to say.</p>
<p>There’s no reason anyone should be scoring low. If the OP would just take 1-2 hours a day practicing instead of doing w/e other unproductive things, then the OP wouldn’t have this problem.</p>
<p>Case and point. I’m done.</p>
<p>Based on data regarding the fact that a 2350 is much > than a 2250 for an unhooked candidate, the SAT is kind of based on luck if you score above a 700 per section. Getting an extra question wrong due to guessing or misbubbling could bring you down 20-30 points and your total score could actually be dented by “careless errors”. Not to mention, there would be a big difference in your score if you get 2 wrong or 3 wrong (a gap of maybe 40 points)!. But for those who score below 700 per section, the SAT is pretty indicative.</p>
<p>I actually don’t know much about the SAT at all, being from the midwest. I’m just saying, standardized tests in general are much better indicators of intelligence than what clubs you join or your grades.</p>
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Unfortunately intelligience is hardly important.</p>
<p>[Standard</a> score - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_score]Standard”>Standard score - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>If you’ve taken stats you should know what z-scores are.
If you don’t they are basically standardized variables that can compare ANYTHING (yes even apples to oranges). This is how the SAT works. It is a STANDARDIZED test used to compare EVERYONE in the WORLD at how “smart” they are.
If you are, what you claim to be a 100% AP LANG student, you should get a 12 on the essay no problem right? If you are in the “finite” math class and you get a 97%, you should be able to do some simple math right? Obviously not.
First, you getting a 100% in ap lang seems false or your teacher sucks (seriously sucks meaning doesn’t do anything). 2nd, you might be good at upper level math, but the question is , are you going to use that stuff when you grow up? There are so many things in life we don’t need yet we learn them. </p>
<p>SAT MATH: tests reasoning, your logic, your common sense, your “basic” algebra math. IT is NOT that hard to study for it. </p>
<p>SAT READING: simple reading comprehension (some suck at it, some rule at it). IT doesn’t matter if you are reading about some 500 old article. Read it. Analyze it. I mean, isn’t that what you learned in AP LANG? To effectively analyze and write a rhetorical analysis or argument? Right? Am I wrong? Obviously I am right. All I see in your arguments are rage. The fact that you are not on par with the dumbest students. The Vocabulary (Sentence completions) are constructed just fine. If you memorize vocab and roots, no problem.</p>
<p>SAT Writing: Essay - essay. What is there to say. Like I said before, you got a 100% in AP LANG which TAUGHT YOU how to write an argument. Piece of cake. Grammatical rules. If you are a good essay writer, you should be able to easily correct these (Except for the few hard ones which don’t come up too often). </p>
<p>All in all, stop qqing. Go study if you want that 2400 instead of raging on about how the tests suck. They don’t. Plenty of people got a 2400. Anyone can, to be honest. All it requires is a lot of hard work and a little bit of luck (for an easier test)</p>
<p>You are just stupid</p>
<p>If you were an A student, you wouldn’t be whining about a reality you can’t change but work your butt off to improve your score.</p>
<p>take the ACT, so much better</p>
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<p>Yes, this post sums up everything you need to know.</p>
<p>Don’t listen to these pretentious nerds who have no lives or friends that criticize you to make themselves feel better. They can’t make a real conversation in real life so they have to bash people online to make their worthless SAT scores feel meaningful. I know, it really is sad, i’m not going to lie, but, hey-- whatever gives them that kick in the morning. You don’t need to pay a least bit of attention to these bunch of randoms.</p>
<p>@ Original thread title: wrong on both accounts. </p>
<p>1) The transcript is what’s important, not the grades alone.
2) EC’s are pretty distant from transcript/test scores in terms of app importance</p>
<p>You can cry all you want about how 2100+ is basically the same as 2300+ or that scores really don’t matter or that one test is better than the other but in the end, you’re just delusional.</p>