<p>handala: LOL I agree with the fake stats thing, did you read about this site on urban dictionary? If not then you should, I bet you will crack up.</p>
<p>Also Silverturtle, would an Indian be over-represented?</p>
<p>I apologize that I did not clarify. Didn’t think you’d actually look up my other threads.</p>
<p>I put a 2310 in my chances thread because it was the superscore of my SAT’s. It was before my November results were released. Here’s a score report if you don’t believe me. </p>
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<p>And if you still don’t believe me, I don’t know what else I could do. I suppose I could upload my score report for the 2380 score, if you’re still paranoid.</p>
<p>Edit: Not too worried about my identity being taken. Seeing as how anyone could just look at my Chances thread and deduce who I was, especially with my screenname. heh</p>
<p>“Also Silverturtle, would an Indian be over-represented?”</p>
<p>Yes, but not as much as some groups.</p>
<p>“lol dude, its w/e I can upload my SAT report and put 800s for everything up there; google ‘how to edit live webpages’ no need to worry however, Don’t worry about other people in admissions; just yourself”</p>
<p>Says the person who is on a college admissions forum, citing other people’s statistics and then comparing them to others, accusing others of falsifying about their test scores, and then rebuking their attempts at vindication by saying that nothing online is provable.</p>
<p>I don’t suppose I should send you an official score report to your house? :P</p>
<p>Well, this has been a nice thread. :)</p>
<p>hahahha I think I would trust silverturtle more since he always gives correct solutions to the sat prlbmes and has over 2000 posts.</p>
<p>Well, I didn’t get through reading everyone post on here, but I agree and disagree with many of you.</p>
<p>I personally did horribe on the SAT. I am not so upset at the SAT test, but rather how other people have earned their scores. I don’t mind the ones who truly did well on the test through self-study or just “intelligence” (loosely). I just think the test is completely biased to those who do have money and the means to afford an excellent tutor. You here time and time again programs boasting they took a “1600 to 2240” etc. Many people have had parents that have had them prep for there SAT from their sophomore year.</p>
<p>I come from a family who neithier of my parents went to college. They never understood the neccesity and importance of these tests. My dad complained when he had to buy me an SAT prep book. I know partially my problem is my own recluctancy to really hit the books, but also my lack of ability to measure up to the playing field of my peers.</p>
<p>Many people perform excellently on the SAT because they had the money to “pay” there way into their scores. I don’t mean to discredit anyone for doing this. If I had the money, I would have done the exact same thing.</p>
<p>Anyways though, I hope through self study I can get my score up to a moderately good level. It’s a little late now, but hopefully admissions officers will take into consideration my background. My parents are now only understand why I have tried to get so involved in school and how in so many departments I’m lacking in college admissions.</p>
<p>But ah… I’m not sure…</p>
<p>In response to you, wowie,</p>
<p>I mentioned that the SAT is great because of all the resources available. That still holds true. In fact, the reason I support the SAT is because self-study can get you very far!</p>
<p>Every single person I know with a score above 2200 did not receive tutoring (paid, not the tutoring you would get from a friend on a couple problems) nor SAT prep classes. In fact, prep classes are useless. I have personally found that prep classes do not help, and that it is a waste of time and money. Classes that are taught by teachers who have no idea what is going on, that themselves did not necessarily do well on the SAT and are blindly following whatever Kaplan provides them - those are worthless. </p>
<p>Of course, there are expensive tutors out there that could probably get your score up, but I would bet money that the large majority of 2200+ SAT kids out there self-studied their way to it. The official blue-book is really all you need to improve your score, and at MOST another book or two (Besides the Blue Book, I also used a critical reading workbook and the UP your score SAT book. I had other books as well, but did not feel that they were useful. All of my books were borrowed from family and friends).</p>
<p>But to complain that the SAT is geared towards the wealthy? A bit naive, since the world is geared towards the wealthy. Going to a better school with better classes, being able to afford your kids extracurriculars (traveling, driving your kids to and from practices, community service events), going to a school that can afford its own swimming pool, track, theater, research lab - those are the things that will matter much more than the (I’m being generous here) 100 point increase that a 600 dollar Kaplan class will give you.</p>
<p>The problem with kids that don’t score well isn’t that they can’t afford a $12.86 Blue Book (2nd edition, too) from Amazon (~12-14 dollars at Borders with a 30% off Borders Rewards Coupon), it’s that they don’t take the several hours per weekend to sit down, and take a test.</p>
<p>Edit: Not to mention the SAT books you could get at your local library</p>
<p>I think that SAT in general is an accurate indicator of the “intelligence” of an applicant. The Math section is very well designed because it does no test your knowledge, but you reasoning skills. I know students who where first in class but when it came to take the SAT they scored low in maths because simply they only knew how to study, they didn’t know how to think logically and other students who scored really low in school math but when it came to the SAT they scored well because they were clever. High school math is just a bunch of tricks and requires no logical thinking.</p>
<p>The Critical Reading section of the SAT is also well designed because to answer the passage questions you have to think logically and to answer the sentence completition questions you have to make connections between the parts of the sentence which are seperated by the gaps in order to fill in the gaps. What I do not like from the CR section is the fact that one has to have an advanced vocabulary in order to answer the questions. This causes many students who comprehend well, to get low scores simply because their vocabulary is not that great.</p>
<p>In my opinion the Writing Section has really nothing to do with intelligence. All you have to do to get a good score is learn a plan for the essay and learn some grammar rules.</p>
<p>So… those of you who are so against the SAT. Don’t be so naive.
It’s time you realize nothing can be perfect. There will always be a way around the system, and in my opinion, the SAT is currently the best possible measure of aptitude there is. I mean, there’s never gonna be a PERFECT test which would calculate your TRUE intelligence and display it in numbers. </p>
<p>I also agree with larmonely. Tutoring only helps you to perform to the best of your ability, and that’s it. Simply assuming that spending more money would get you higher scores is foolish. I doubt anyone who doesn’t DESERVE a 2200 would get it even if he spends millions of dollars on tutors and prep books. There is a limit to your ability, and money isn’t your way around it.</p>
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You’re quite right. Indeed, I know some people in mainland China(although I don’t live there) have the cash to pay some “specialized test-takers” to do the tests for them.
Since bribery and corruption in China is relatively easy (compared to the United States), some Chinese parents who have good relationships with local officials will try to negotiate with officials to issue false visas for those “specialized test-takers” to come to Hong Kong under the name of the parents’ son/daughter.
When these “specialized test-takers” arrive the SAT test centers in Hong Kong, they just show their Chinese passports/visas to the test administrators and then sit the test without suspicion, scoring around 2400. They won’t be suspected of having a false identity because their fake passports/visas show their “real” photograph of the person, but under the name of someone else…(no offense for some Chinese mainlanders here)</p>
<p>The price for doing this service is like the fee for illegally immigrating from some developing countries in Asia to the United States. </p>
<p>Seems that Uncle Sam caught off-guard with this.
Our government made the clever decision to close the testing centers in China because of widespread bribery but it never thought that bribery can reach to this extent…</p>
<p>In terms of economic freedom, the reality is, China is scoring on top of the 192 UN countries, far beyond than our country.</p>
<p>^ there’s a lot of bribery and cheating in teh u.s. sat centers too.</p>
<p>Sounds like a useless rant from someone whose school inflates grades a bit too much.</p>
<p>Lmao! You say you never learn the SAT math in your math classes? Then you are in a *****ty school…I can’t believe you guys don’t learn stuff like Pythagorean’s Theorem or 30/60/90 // 45/45/90 triangles or basic algebra. ■■■■ ■■■■■. And enough with the BS corruption/conspiracy claims. If it is happening, there’s nothing you can do about it, so why not control what you can control - and that is your own score.</p>
<p>The SAT tests not how much content you know, but rather the logic and mastery you provide within a general subject. However, it mostly requires a mastery of the English language and careful re-reading as many Math geniuses for example can miss a couple Math questions simply because the question was a trick or asked something it normally doesn’t. Of course some people who take tons of AP tests with 5s may do badly on the SATs, scoring only low 2ks. These people will, however, do much much better on the ACT as it tests more on the knowledge you have within the course, not how closely you can read and analyze.</p>
<p>I don’t think you even got what I meant by my post. I am not saying the SAT is bad or am I complaining about it. Like I said, like everything else it is geared towards the wealthy as I stated. It is another way to tell who has more money. I never said you couldn’t recieve a good score through self-study. I think anything is possible, but it gives people with extra money a little bit more of a boost. I was going to add I think this why colleges must take a holistic approach to a canidate because finances do effect every aspect of a candiate asaid their unique character. Moreover, I spoke with a Yale admissions officer and they said they often look at SAT II more often than SAT I scores because they show the real ability of the student, rather than paid tutors. On the same note, you can get tutored for the SAT II, but not to the same extent as the SAT I.</p>
<p>I understand their are flaws in the system, as with everything there is. I do feel the SAT is another biased portion of the admissions process. There is no true way to actually test the abilities of a canidate and the SAT is the closest thing we have to it yet.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, but it’s generally a good indicator. Not perfect, but useful in categorisation. I couldn’t understand how you could possibly get in the 500s if you’d taken ANY advanced classes, I’m sorry to say. I have to be honest, that’s just plain… bad? Honestly. I’m not trying to attack you, but I just want you to analyse yourself rather than criticise the test, which has worked pretty well for the majority of people, and it’s good enough to where it’s still used in the admissions process by a majority of the best schools.</p>
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<p>530-Writing
600- Math
630-Reading Comprehension
I don’t think the SAT at any way is an indicator of someones intelligent. If you look at Math and Reading Comprehension maybe. But how is grammar rules in anyway an indicator of how smart you are? What because you can understand when to use different pronouns?</p>
<p>*I have taken/currently taking: AP ENGLISH LANGUAGE AND COMP, AP ENGLISH LITERATURE, AP US HISTORY, AP CALC, AP BIO, AP PHYSICS, AP ECON/GOV, AP EURO</p>
<p>5- Bio 5- US history 4- AP Language and Comp 2- Euro (yeah i know)
I haven’t worked my ass of in school by all means eithier. </p>
<p>So there is proof, that SOMEONE can get in the 500’s with AP courses in which they have excelled in.</p>
<p>just because u r taking AP classes doesnt mean that you will get a good score though which has already been explained in this thread…</p>