Sorry....just this once

<p>i know everyone is soo sick of this, but i am trying to figure out if i should even try to apply early decision to brown. i know it’s a reach…</p>

<p>rank: 5 / 300
SAT: v 700
m 640
w 650 (10/12)</p>

<p>APs: i come from rural california and my school only offers 5.
last year: AP us history 4
this year: ap govt, english, bio, and economics.</p>

<p>ecs:
president of speech and debate (3 years)
president of NHS
editor in chief of newspaper
county representative for policy advocacy</p>

<p>summers:
-scholarship trip to france and spain with 11 international students, worked in parisian cafe, helped orphans.
-spent 1 month in egypt - scholarship from US department of state. 7% acceptance, worked with youth and did community service. </p>

<p>essay: probably about my experiences with my autistic younger brother or sharing a room with a girl from iraq for a week. </p>

<p>thanks!!!</p>

<p>emmalou</p>

<p>The SAT will be hard to overcome. My advice is study for it, you need to boost it at least 100 points (more like 150) to be competitive for the Ivies. Even if it means you have to sacrifice a little on the GPA. I went to a school that sent 20% to Ivies, 0% of the kids with great GPAs but under 1400 SATs got in.</p>

<p>yea you have a 1990 right now, try to get that to atleast 2100 (2150 would be much much better for ivys).</p>

<p>If that doesn't work, take the ACT (and try to get a 32 at least).</p>

<p>A couple things you haven't mentioned --</p>

<p>Do you have a particular passion or passions?
Why Brown?</p>

<p>How you answer these things (and how well your answer comes across in your application) could make all the difference in your success. Also, it could come down to how well you write your essays and what your recommendations say. </p>

<p>Of course, the admission rates are higher the higher the test scores (whether this is because of the test scores themselves or the characteristics of those with the higher scores is impossible to tell, of course ...) You can look that up on the Brown web site.</p>

<p>But people can get into Brown even without a 1400 SAT or its equivalent. My daughter had a score on the ACT that converts (if you accept the standard chart, that is) to less, and she made it in on regular decision.</p>

<p>I wouldn't recommend studying so much for the SAT that your grades go down. Where would this leave you if your ED application is deferred, especially since this will be your first set of grades where you are taking multiple AP courses? You don't say how much you studied for the SAT the first time, though. If you didn't study much, you might very well be able to bring your score up without much effort.</p>

<p>Do you have a feel for why you scored the way you did? Were there particular questions you didn't understand, were you tripped up on tricky wording, or was it time management? I think you need to know where you need to improve first before you can do the study or other work necessary to improve.</p>

<p>You might try out the ACT. You might be one of those who score better on it. If so, you can simply send that score into Brown.</p>

<p>But to answer your question. Yes, you should try to apply. You certainly have zero chance of getting in if you don't apply at all. Don't leave yourself wondering "what if?" If Brown is your first choice, go for it. If they turn you down, you are in the same position as you would be if you didn't apply.</p>

<p>The post immediately prior to mine wasn't there when I wrote so I would like to reply to it.</p>

<p>My daughter got a 30. Last I heard (though I haven't checked more recently than when she was applying [and she is a sophomore now]), the middle 50 percentile range for Brown was 29 to 32.</p>

<p>Brown is one place that says it will look at subscores, too. My daughter averaged a 33 for those subscores at all relevant to her proposed field (a passion that clearly did come across in her application and which could best be pursued at Brown). The math and science were what brought her down. Oh happy day when she got the Brown acceptance and realized she never had to take another math class ...</p>

<p>But I don't know exactly what Brown means by this. (It was a comment made to another CC member.) They may mean that they will take the best subscores from different administrations of the test.</p>

<p>I never did understand when people say to "try" or "shoot" for a particular score. You do the best you can, and get the score you do :)</p>

<p>this is a table that converts from ACT to new SAT as well:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.eurekareview.com/pdfs/presentations/SAT_ACT_conversion_chart.pdf#search=%22act%20new%20SAT%20conversion%22%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.eurekareview.com/pdfs/presentations/SAT_ACT_conversion_chart.pdf#search=%22act%20new%20SAT%20conversion%22&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>here's another one:</p>

<p><a href="http://collegeapps.about.com/od/satactandotherexams/a/comparesatact.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://collegeapps.about.com/od/satactandotherexams/a/comparesatact.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I think that you have a chance as is, but I would also recommend studying a little for the SATs and retaking them.</p>

<p>I don't know what to say about RD vs. ED. </p>

<p>You would have a month in Egypt applying to the school with the best Egyptology department.</p>

<p>I disagree with the above criticizms of your SAT scores. As an individual, you seem to stand out more than the masses of students with top scores and not much else. Your experiences that you mentioned are unique and interesting; be sure to discuss at least one of them in the essay.</p>

<p>And I'll disagree with Cavalier. I hate to say it, because it is a trend I don't like, but without a 700 in your math SAT, your chance of getting into Brown ED is very low unless you have a hook. The admissions office is pretty open these days about stressing the need for 700+ scores.</p>

<p>what if someone takes the ACT then? do they look at subscores or something and stress 30+ on everything?</p>

<p>I don't get the impression that Brown is as numbers-driven as that. My daughter had two subscores below 30. I think Brown looks at the entire application -- coursework, recommendations, essays, ECs, etc. sly_vt, you've really heard the Brown admissions office saying that one's math score needs to be 700+ now? Have things changed that much in two years?</p>

<p>It would seem silly to require a, what, 97th percentile math score from everyone, when they don't even require anyone to take math once they come. Although I suppose if there isn't any other basis to distinguish among applicants, then it will come down to test scores. </p>

<p>You can only do the best you can do, apply, and keep your fingers crossed.</p>

<p>Oh, bprepn, am I the source for your saying that Brown has the best Egyptology department or did you hear that elsewhere? Actually, in the Western Hemisphere, Brown has the ONLY undergraduate Egyptology department. They have changed the name to include western Asia studies, but they haven't hired the professor they hoped to get that would teach some courses in that.</p>

<p>Diane,</p>

<p>Probably my confusing "best" with "only." I know about Egyptology at Brown from "nebbing" my D's application process.</p>

<p>beprepn</p>

<p>Well, I learned a new word today, "nebbing." At first I thought it made reference to an ancient Egyptian word, neb, meaning "lord." I thought, you were lording over your D's application? :) But then I looked it up ...</p>

<p>What did I ever do without Google?</p>