<p>This is a bit specific so maybe no posters will be able to answer it but, bah oh well.</p>
<p>Basically: Are 3 rising sophomores, 1 rising junior, and 2 rising seniors enough to get an EC suite (point-wise)?</p>
<p>^heLL no, you’d be choosing after all the juniors, there’s no way, pay a senior to join you so that you have 20 points and potentially chose before many juniors, even then it’s tricky.</p>
<p>ummm confidentialcoll’s response makes no sense seeing as they already have TWO (rising) seniors…not sure why a current senior would need housing for next yr :P</p>
<p>if i remember correctly EC exclusion suites are five person and with 2 seniors, a junior and two sophomores you’d have a great chance at getting an ECx suite but it looks like you are trying to get a 6 person EC suite in which case you have no chance in hell …if i remember correctly that’s exclusively senior housing where you basically need 6 rising seniors to be able to get the suite.</p>
<p>i hope i’m remembering all the details correctly…i’m sure denzera can chime in with some wisdom here</p>
<p>Shraf - off my friend. you only get 2 freebies in an exclusion suite, which means the third person (the junior) drops you to only 26.6 pts and so you would pick after all normal 30pt exclusion groups, who pick after all 30pt senior groups (all 5 are seniors). Last year the cutoff was for 23.33 pt value, and group with a 1236 lottery number. This year my guess with the ability of 30pt senior groups to pick before exclusion groups, that you may see that inch higher, perhaps you need a pt value of 26.6 to get it. Either way you more than likely should be fine if you are 2sr 1jr 2so, but may get a crappy suite (far from elevator, lower floor, non-renovated floor, depending on how high your lottery number.</p>
<p>[Housing</a> : Cutoff History](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/housing/docs/returning_students/room-selection/cutoff_history.html]Housing”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/housing/docs/returning_students/room-selection/cutoff_history.html)</p>
<p>cu uses a point and lottery number. points denote priority order, lottery denotes picking order. lottery is out of all students staying in the school (3100 or so) in the school with people picking as a group given the same number. points are 10, 20, 30 going soph, junior, senior. in suite selection these numbers are averaged. in exclusion suites, only the top 3 numbers are averaged.</p>
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<p>Yep, if I were OP, I’d wait for Denzera to make an appearance. Dude knows this sheet well.</p>
<p>Just for the record, I had this same setup when I saw a rising sophomore and we got a 14th floor exclusion suite, so it is possible. I think our lottery number was like 800 or something.</p>
<p>What happens this year with the new exclusion suite rules though is anybody’s guess. They could all go to senior groups or the new policy could have no effect at all.</p>
<p>Edit: I realize I pretty much repeated what admissionsgeek said.</p>
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<p>unless the rules have drastically changed… if you are in a 5 person all-seniors group (as i was) you are not allowed to choose an ECx suite unless you specify beforehand that you are doing ECx (i get the feeling from skraylor’s post that that has changed this year)…however as a 5 person all-seniors group you would be an idiot to take an ECx suite and have two seniors crammed in a 170 sq ft double. </p>
<p>as for all the 30 point ECx groups (3 seniors and 2 sophomores)…the number of groups in that category varies drastically from year to year. i used to be pretty good at playing the housing lottery game when i was still in undergrad but i clearly haven’t been keeping up since. denzera however might be…because it was his life for 3 or 4 yrs.</p>
<p>^There is a new rule this year that states that “30-point senior groups pick before 30-point ECx groups,” so given what you’ve said about past years, I assume that means that any 30-point senior group could pick into an ECx. As you said, however, unless you had the ****tiest lottery number and would get dropped to general otherwise, I cannot think of any reason that a senior group would want to go for an ECx.</p>
<p>Judging from the numbers of recent years, as long as you have a 26.6 point base you’re probably good to go for ECx (I’m hoping…since that’s what I’m going for as well). Though there is the new factor of the renovated floors, which means you’re still going to want as high of a point+lottery combo as possible.</p>
<p>But anyway, with a group of 6 including 3 sophomores you’re screwed for EC. The 10s will bring everyone down - the only reason ECx groups can even get into EC is because that selection is specifically designed so that the two lowest point values aren’t counted. </p>
<p>Best solution is to drop one of the sophomores, or go for a different housing option.</p>
<p>Maybe I don’t understand the question, but as stated, LionHeaded, you have “3 rising sophomores, 1 rising junior, and 2 rising seniors”, which by my (poor) arithmetic is 6 people.</p>
<p>A group of 6 can try for the 6S highrise suites, which go to 30-point groups, or the 6-person townhouses, all of which also go to 30-point groups. In short, you’re not gonna make it.</p>
<p>however, if you kick one of the sophomores out and go for an ECX, as some people here seem to assume you mean, then your group will have 26 pts and will be virtually guaranteed an ECX suite, and probably a pretty decent one. The risk, as with all ECX groups, is that if your lottery number is very good (< ~800), your sophomores might bail for Furnald singles instead of sticking with your group. The tough part will be selling them on the appeal of having (A) their own bathroom, (B) a huge living room of their own, and (C) a kitchen with a dishwasher, rather than a private bedroom. But there’s a 75% chance you don’t have to worry.</p>
<p>so basically, Shraf’s 2nd paragraph is totally correct.
if the new rule is ONLY what Hanajima Arashi said, then it shouldn’t affect the ECX cutoffs. It will just shift priority a little bit for the 4-6 all-senior groups of 5 who every year voluntarily go for an ECX. So basically his analysis is spot on here, too.</p>
<p>First housing thread in which I’ve added no value. Thanks for stealing my thunder, jackasses :)</p>
<p>edit: oh wait, I can add value after all. If all 6 of you are BFFs and you want to stay a group of 6, you can at least consider two additional options. There are two 6-person suites on the first floor of Ruggles, which have 2 singles and 2 doubles, and your group could theoretically get them unless they’re held out of the lottery by Housing (I would ask first). Secondly, there is a 6-person suite (4 singles / 1 double, one of the singles is tiny) on the 1st floor of 47 Claremont, and the first group that doesn’t get an EC Townhouse usually takes it - but sometimes not.</p>
<p>oh wow, i just realized, this is like a word problem question on the SAT, i totally failed it then and now. 6 people can’t get it. there is always claremont or ruggles (giggles).</p>