Speculation about non-top 10% acceptance being incredibly rigorous this year?

<p>If there is an admission agreement with the CAPs schools, then no - all college's arn't equal.</p>

<p>transferring from a university in which you earn high grades is a safer bet than transferring from a CC where it isn't as difficult to make good grades.</p>

<p>"From what i hear most people who do well at st. eds dont have a hard time transferring to UT."</p>

<p>"It's not like UT looks at the college you come from when making transfer decisions, a college is a college and they are all equal."</p>

<p>People, do your homework. UT really DOES care where you transfer from. I sat in their admissions office 3 weeks ago and heard the admissions rep say exactly what one needs to do to be admitted. If you are not in the top 10% and you are offered CAPs, then TAKE CAPS!! They treat transfers VERY differently. CAPS is a guaranteed admission as long as you make the required GPA. Transfers are thrown into a completely different pool and have nowhere near the same consideration as the CAPs applicants.</p>

<p>I would think that if you are CAPped and don't take the offer and try to transfer from another university, it would not be well received. Possibly if you had a great reason (finacial, AP credits), it would be understood, but I think if you want to show them you are serious about wanting to be there, you take the CAP offer.</p>

<p>I know some St. Ed students that decided to stay there rather than transfer anyway. They go to all the parties at UT, but get the smaller school atmosphere and liked that.</p>

<p>CAP only guarantees a position at liberal arts or natural sciences. I hear those two majors are ridiculously easy to get into, a 3.4 from a CC should get in. </p>

<p>UT does not care what college you come from, they really don't, they cannot penalize a student because he went to a CC. They are a public university, I'm sure private universities have a lot more leeway in that regard. A CC is a viable option for every student, especially if he cannot afford to pay 4 years tuition. </p>

<p>The only part taking CAP helps is getting into Natural science or liberal arts, CAP has no guarantee on any other majors, which means students who are in CAP and want to transfer into a different major will be put into the SAME pool as students externally transferring.</p>

<p>I am repeating exactly what the admissions counselor explained. Why would he lie? It is also explained on the UT website.</p>

<p>You are simply wrong about the CAPs students being put in the same pool as transfers.<br>
Exactly what are you basing these statements on? I know plenty of applicants who were turned down from Natural Science and Liberal Arts as freshman applicants -- it is no breeze to get into. There is nothing wrong with attending St. Edward's or ACC, but to state as fact that UT looks as these transfers the same as CAPs transfer is not true. </p>

<p>Please don't make statements on here without at least ASKING the UT admissions office first. Giving this type of inaccurate information on CC is a disservice to the readers.</p>

<p>The admissions counselor told us the same thing regarding CC's. There just aren't that many transfer spots and they go first to CAP students and then to others. They know it is easier to pull a great GPA at a CC.</p>

<p>Midwest Mom may be right in that things may change, but (anecdotally) I can tell you from friends of my kids in this situation, that MANY kids got to ACC or St. Eds with the full intention of transferring into UT. Not one of them has been rejected. But, I will say that these are the types of kids who have a good college prep background who, because of the rank issue, didn't get into UT initially. Getting great grades (with creative class picking) is not hard, and transferring has not been an issue. In our neighborhood (suburban houston with ridiculously competitive highschool) this has been known as the "back door" into UT.</p>

<p>Someone mentioned in an earilier post that going to ACC and tranferring into UT was like going to Blynn and tranferring to A&M. Correct me if I am wrong, but ACC does not have a guaranteed admission program tied to UT...in fact, in order to be eligible for the "Blynn Team" you must be accepted into the program. I really wish they did have a program where students could live in the dorms and get sports passes etc..like they do at Blynn/A&M. This would be a win/win situation for the many great students that are denied admission to UT but want the full college experience.<br>
Many people that aren't familiar with the CAP schools don't realize that almost all of these schools are huge commuter schools that do not provide the full college experience that many freshmen are looking for. That's one of the reason so many great Texas HS students choose to go to Tech or OU instead.</p>

<p>You're right, it's not guaranteed like "Blinn Team", I just meant it was like it in that you can live in the same dorms (private) and are in Austin. The only way to get guaranteed admission to UT is CAP, and like you said, many choose not to do that because of the experience.</p>

<p>"You are simply wrong about the CAPs students being put in the same pool as transfers.
Exactly what are you basing these statements on? I know plenty of applicants who were turned down from Natural Science and Liberal Arts as freshman applicants -- it is no breeze to get into. There is nothing wrong with attending St. Edward's or ACC, but to state as fact that UT looks as these transfers the same as CAPs transfer is not true."</p>

<p>If you read my post concisely, I explicitly stated that CAP students were put into a different pool for Liberal Arts and Natural Science. I also said that for every other major there is no such arrangement. </p>

<p>I honestly think that the only argument you have against me is moot due to you being unable to understand my previous post. </p>

<p>If I entered into CAP, had a 3.2 GPA, and wanted to transfer into Liberal Arts or Natural Science, I will get in automatically. Whereas if I went to ACC and got a 3.2 GPA, I might not. There is no disputing that fact.</p>

<p>HOWEVER, if I entered CAP, had a 3.2 GPA, and wanted to transfer into Engineering, the school will NOT place me in special pool. All the CAP schools do not work for UT-Austin, they are independent and many students go there for their 4 year degrees. I would be considered an EXTERNAL TRANSFER to Engineering, the SAME status as someone who went to ACC and also got a 3.2 GPA who is trying to get into Engineering. </p>

<p>And also, the idea that UT looks at the school a transfer student comes from is simply bogus. Their admissions method is purely #'s as they take into account your academics. There is little room for adjustments, a GPA is a GPA. Then there is the Personal score, which is a lot more objective, but that has nothing to do with academics.</p>

<p>As a state school, UT cannot penalize a student for going to a CC. Essentially penalizing a student because he is poor and cannot afford to pay for 4 years of college.</p>

<p>UT could announce at any time that the UT student population is getting so large that the college will reject every transfer student who does not have a CAP agreement. </p>

<p>I'm not saying they will; I'm saying they could. </p>

<p>If you are rejected and your top priority is to attend UT, CAP is the only way to guarantee it. A CAP student with a 3.2 must be accepted while a student with a 4.0 from ACC or St. Eds can be rejected.</p>

<p>That is true /. It absolutely could get to that point, I just wonder when.</p>

<p>I'll bet you are right MidwestMom..the university administration are going to be grasping at straws for ways to put pressure on the Texas legislators to appeal or ammend the top 10% rule..they already have thrown the first lure with no summer freshman program for '09. Thier hands are tied and it's a shame...</p>

<p>SWTCAT, I think you're right that they have thrown the first salvo with the summer program. It's interesting that there really hasn't been any press about that. I've been checking the legislative news coming out of Austin and it seems like the only thing they're talking about regarding public higher education is the tuition.</p>

<p>UT may have to do something drastic to get their attention!! :eek:</p>

<p>Wonder what's next...</p>

<p>Yep 54..it's just a matter of time before they do something drastic.. I too have been waiting for something to come out in the media about the cancellation of the summer program. Until that info is widely known by the general public, there will be no "outcry". </p>

<p>It's amazing to me how many residents of the state of TX don't even know about the top 10% rule..they just assume that thier kid can go there if they want to..I am referring to those people that have younger kids..and these are even people that are alums..just not aware of what's going on with current day UT..</p>

<p>My DH, who is a class of '85 alum, says that it's going to take an alum with ALOT of money and pull whose kid isn't getting in for something to happen..frankly, I am shocked that this hasn't happend yet or I am naive and those kids have been scooted in the back door?? Good Ole Boy style :)</p>

<p>Oh, there's been plenty of squawking by the big fish alums, but the people blocking it in the legislature are the types to take particular pleasure in sticking it to those types of alums:)</p>

<p>I know of a particular $$ Houston family who have had family members there since the turn of the century, and guess where their college age kids are? LSU. Guess where their donations aren't going any more? UT But of course they won't give up their primo seats at Darrel K Royal Stadium ;)</p>

<p>If kids could be scooted in the back door (with bribery), this family would have done it...</p>

<p>My husband is class of 83 (but should have been 81, he just took the long road, graduating with some unGodly amount of hours - haha).</p>

<p>I don't know of anyone that has been successful at pulling strings to get in. I know some that have tried. Too many alums!</p>

<p>Back to transfers - question -
A student with a large number of AP classes
Gets CAPped
Per UT website - They will accept credits form other instituions, including those received via AP exams if the insitution designates it a "CR" or an actual grade or similar.
They go elsewhere, like St. Eds who takes 3 and up for most AP scores.
Student goes to St. Eds, takes all the credits and transfers after a couple of semesters as a junior.
Might be more difficult to get A's if you are jumping right into 2nd year level classes. Isn't it easier to get in as a junior?
Thoughts?</p>

<p>LOL..my DH and I laugh about it all the time..that his lifetime Texas EX membership won't get our lovely daughter anywhere..she is top 20% with a weighted GPA of 4.6 and unweighted GPA of 3.8..goes to a very competitive HS.. andd has no chance in **** of getting in..are we a little frustrated?? Heck yeah! </p>

<p>The ironic thing is that when you are looking for a school district to put your kids in, you go on the reputation of how "good" it is..the problem is that so does everyone eles and thus that school becomes highly competitive and it is impossible to be in the top 10% and have a life. Maybe we should have moved to podunk Texas or inner city Dallas..the thing is, when we were looking for that good school district, the top 10% law wasn't in effect..Oh well, I guess Oklahoma (OU) will get our money instead..Boomer Sooner!! :)</p>

<p>Sorry to Highjack :) Back to transfers..</p>