<p>Are Spelman students viewed the same way as Emory students in the workfield?</p>
<p>It depends what employer you seek, Being an Emory Alum carries more weight than a spelman alum unless of course you wish to be employed be an orginization that has many spelman alums</p>
<p>I would imagine that Emory would have a lot more pull unless one were applying for a job at an HBCU. Emory is larger, more well-known, and has many more resources–not to mention that its incoming students have much higher SAT scores.</p>
<p>I don’t think Emory is more well know(I heard of Spelman more than I’ve heard about Emory)</p>
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Have you heard of UPenn, USC, or UChicago? I’d never heard of Morehouse, Hampton, Howard, or Spelman until a year or so ago. Anecdotal evidence is rarely a representative sample of the general population…</p>
<p>So you think you are a better representative of the general population.</p>
<p>That’s not what I said at all.</p>
<p>No, the two people won’t be viewed in the same way… The Emory alumnus will be viewed in a better light, if all other factors are equal.</p>
<p>Emory has the stronger name, and is well respected. However there are many wonderful schools that many employers are not familiar with, that should not be the deciding factor in your school choice.</p>
<p>Spelman for undergrad and Emory for grad, because college is more than just name recognition. But, in my opinion in this day and age many companies and businesses have heard of Spelman college and know of there reputation.</p>
<p>The first lady did the commencement there this past spring in fact.</p>
<p>I think both work for undergrad. It really depends on how “nurturing” you want it. If you are in the sciences, you should seriously consider Spelman because they are more nurturing and the class sizes are universally smaller. Many Emory courses will be of much larger size while remaining harder for the large part (I’ve seen exceptions, like the biochemistry course at Morehouse is honestly the level I think ours should be, but it seems they focus on two different issues. Theirs is a bio"chem" course and ours is a "bio"chem course. On the contrary, friends from Morehouse have come for help w/organic chem. and about all profs. here are significantly tougher even easier ones). This can spell disaster for many (many students, especially URMs, will probably benefit more from smaller classes than white counterparts. I’ve read some studies suggesting this). However, for non-science majors, I see the experience being equal and perhaps better if you consider the nurturing in conjunction w/the abundant resources. </p>
<p>I don’t think this is about name recognition (but seriously, what major employer doesn’t know about Spelman or Emory?), this is about what you need from an undergraduate education. If you feel transitioning from HS to college level work will be harder, Spelman is a more ideal environment (as many HBCUs. And when I refer to this transftion, I mainly refer to freshmen year. The other years will probably be similar at both). I personally turned down Morehouse for Emory (they seriously came to my HS in Savannah and recruited for the Hopps Scholars Program) because I cared less about this transition and realized that I needed a change of scenery (my schools starting w/middle in Savannah were majority black) and I was selected for the INSPIRE program (thank goodness it had funding back then) at Emory which altered my experience as a science major (including me taking organic chem. freshman year). Resources are more plentiful (it thus reflects in research and travelling opps. for non-science and science students; also the facilities are on the whole much better, especially the library which has been a crucial resource to me. In fact, AUC students are very often at our library), courses are by and large more challenging, and also, graduate level courses are extremely accessible (I can’t really say this about the smaller schools in the AUC).</p>
<p>I once saw some video where Emory students went to the AUC to discuss and debate why they chose one over a PWI (Predominantly White Institution, though I think Emory can harly be called that anymore;for some reason. I actually wanted to attend, it occurred this past Spring I believe. I think it will happen again, but on Emory’s campus). The AUC students felt the need to defend themselves when no one was really attacking them or their institution. Emory students were merely stating their experience and not in comparison to the AUC. However, one thing I kept hearing the AUC students say is that professors and faculty at PWI’s don’t care as much as faculty at HBCUs (in then later on, this motivational speaker comes out w/these statistics that are biased in favor of HBCUs that show that students there are supposedly more successful. Seems the comparison was them against all PWIs. Is this fair? Do you expect HBCUs, which are by and large, pretty small, to be less conducive to success than large state PWIs?). I don’t find this true w/respect to Emory. The HBCU students seemed to be painting PWI’s in a monolithic light as if all were exactly the same. I was concerned because this meant that many did not realize that there is generally a huge difference between say UGA and Emory (or some other top private research U) or UGA and a PWLAC. They just viewed all PWIs as souless institutions that don’t try to care about students. In reality, the undergrad population at Emory probably isn’t too much larger than the AUC (who have to essentially share resources such as the library which is very small compared to ours. Also, we have many more libraries and legit study areas) and has a significantly larger endowment. Do you seriously think they would give us a bunch of soulless professors. I’ve had professors in larger environments that make excellent teachers and care about the students, while also not necessarily holding students’ hands.</p>
<p>collegedream: You said workfield and then went on to say, I’ve heard of Spelman more than Emory. As an African American from Georgia, so have I, but I knew it wasn’t representative of the experience or quality either offers and it certainly wasn’t representative of how employers view them (I really have no idea, but both should be well off). However, when at Emory, or other PWI’s these crowds don’t know much about HBCUs. If these folks are in the majority demographic wise (Caucasians and Asians for example ) in certain higher paying work genres, it’s very possible (and is probable) that Emory, regardless of what I heard about before I got there, has more name recognition in these fields (or in general) even if it does lag behind its immediate peers in name recognition.</p>
<p>I also heard more about Tech and UGA (mainly sports/party fervor) than Emory being from Georgia. Now I kind of realize that this is because of sample size; Emory being much smaller and now much more selective in addition to Georgians only comprising 16-17% of the student body (also Tech and UGA are solid academically as well. Some states may only have one school that really stands out academically. Think South Carolina and maybe even Tn where Vanderbilt probably gets disproportionate shine despite having some reasonable public schools, which by and large don’t compare w/UGA and Tech). Emory’s recognition in general is probably above one and on par w/the other (and in some circles bigger)</p>
<p>I still want to go to Spelman and for grad I’ll try to go to an Ivy league I know the Ivy’s take Spelman very seriously.</p>
<p>Okay, then go there. Why did you post here in the first place if you merely want to go to Spelman regardless of what we say? That makes you seem like a ■■■■■.
Anyway, my job wasn’t to really sway you anyway. My point was to merely say that your logic is senseless here (plus you are worried about the wrong thing. Not even in college, choosing between two good ones thinking that one will seriously give you some magical advantage). Just go to the one you like better or feel as if you’ll thrive at. I chose Emory and I’m fine. Hopefully you’ll end up okay at Spelman. Hopefully, you’ve visited and researched both. Both have certain kinds of problems, but I suppose the good outweighs the bad. I wouldn’t bank on how serious an Ivy takes a certain institution either. They could care less. You better come out of there as an exceptional student w/a reasonable standardized exam score if any Ivy is to take you seriously. Emory is a peer to the Ivies and going here will give you no other edge outside of the resources and challenging courses offered. It’s up to one attending here to take advantage of it (you may have to try harder in this arena, but it shouldn’t be too problematic for a motivated student). And often that isn’t even enough to get into an Ivy. They aren’t going to go like: "Oh, she’s from Emory/Spelman and she did well, auto-admit! ". Don’t count on it. Ivies really only take themselves (and a couple of others) very seriously.</p>
<p>The guy clearly hasn’t done his research. Many of the Ivies have weak departments for grad school – well, weak by Ivy standards. Top publics usually have the best graduate departments, namely Berkeley and UMich, and then maybe Harvard, Stanford, and Yale, but after that, it’s a crapshoot.</p>
<p>Edit: I might also add that school name does very little in terms of getting into a good grad school. Publications are most important. The kid at Podunk who has published some serious research or has gotten his work into a serious journal will get preference over the kid at Harvard who has sat on his hands, regardless of how well they do, academically.</p>
<p>Depends on the program. Regardless, even the Ivies which aren’t great for grad. school are still overly selective and select at random among great candidates. Again, they can care less about where you went unless it was an Ivy.</p>
<p>Bernie you do not have to call people tr0lls or any other name. Everything you think does not have to be posted. I know a few people who went to Spelman and Howard who are in Princeton’s graduate programs. (It’s very immature to call people names that’s what kindergardeners do)</p>
<p>Actually, I may not have to, but I certainly can. I’m sorry (actually, I’m not) but you did come off as a ■■■■■. A ■■■■■ on a forum is a person that comes looking for trouble by seemingly trying to incite a fight or unnecessary debate. You came here with your mind made up, and then you respond w/snarky remarks like this one and the comment made to aig regarding representation of the general populous when you knew darned well that’s not what they were saying (at least I hope you knew): That’s the ■■■■■ like quality I refer to. You do realize that I was considering you a ■■■■■ in that context, not a ■■■■■ as thought of in literary/mythological fiction right?<br>
Enough with the anecdotes: I also know a lot Emory students in HPY and several other top graduate and professional programs (one of my friends is at Harvard med. and another will be off to WashU in the Fall. 1 other is off to Berkeley for grad. school and another Columbia). That doesn’t mean it’s because they take Emory more serious than anyone else. It means that they were recognized as exceptional students w/exceptional qualifications. </p>
<p>I guess anyone that has ever called out a poster on this forum for ■■■■■-like quality is also a kindergartner. I’m fine w/being a kindergartner if it will prevent this type of stuff from happening and will make for more reasonable discussion (perhaps w/some facts and over legit issues other than getting us to convince you about the perception of two good schools. How about asking us about the opps. here, the academics the facilities, the social environment? Things we could actually tell you about w/o going back and forth about whether some school has some fictitious “Ivy League” feeder quality). Again, this one was quite useless as you had your mind made up. I told you what you should probably do. Choose Spelman because you like it, not because you know people in from there who are in top graduate programs (many schools have this, and they certainly don’t qualify as Ivy feeders). The school nor those successful students control your success. You know this and I know it. You can try and call me a kindergartner all you want. If anything, your generalizations make you come off as less mature than any kindergartner as you actually have the sense to know that it is ridiculous. I have told you what I thought, and I also agree w/what herpderp said. Take it or leave it. We’ve provided you some insight w/o even really knowing what you were looking for (which seems like nothing to me as you had already found it in your mind). You will get over being considered ■■■■■"ish". I’m sure I’m not the only one that feels that way at this point. I just refuse to sugarcoat and play games to preserve anyone’s feelings in such a case. You’ve made your decision (far before you got here), so disengage from this so called “discussion”. It’s over.</p>