St. John's University...reputation?

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<pre><code> I am currently a senior at a top performing mens only Catholic high school in Kentucky. I took a college visit trip to New York and attended open house today at St. John's University and will be attending Fordham University's open house tomorrow. I have a 3.55 GPA and a 28 on the ACT. I am in the highest level classes offered at my high school and am in some AP courses. I am also ranked 94 out of 314 students (unweighted).

After visiting St. John's today and learning about the numerous 5 year academic programs in sciences and touring the campus I really am happy with the university. I am not an extremely religious person, but I do like being in an environment where it is supported. Therefore, attending a Catholic college is important to me. I just don't understand why so many people seem to trash the school. The average ACT is a 25, (what most school's averages are in Kentucky: University of Louisville, University of Kentucky). Only 31% of students live on campus. However I don't mind it because all of the dorms are located in one village, so students are gathered together in one area. Also, the dorms are fairly new and are extremely nice. Plus, dorms are in suite format with 4-8 people so you have a small group of students to first get accompanied with.

Now onto the stuff that really matters, academics. 92% of faculty have a doctoral degree. I will be majoring in Biology/Pre med. The science and pharmacy building recently underwent a 20 million dollar renovation. They also built a new building, D'Angelo Center, in 2009 where students can gather to socialize, study, etc. It is 127,000 square ft and has a full service cafeteria, 14 state of the art classrooms, student gathering areas, and 6 seminar rooms. The Honors program offered is also extremely competitive, only 10% of admitted students are offered the option to enroll in the program. The average ACT of the program is a 30. Their Pharmacy program is one of the best in the nation. They have no large lecture hall style classes; the average class size is 24 students, and 40% of classes have fewer than 20 students. I really need the smaller class sizes and closer relationship with teachers. Also, 89% of students have a salary job or are accepted into a graduate program within 6 months of graduation.

I know that St. John's University isn't Cornell or Columbia, but for me it seems like a solid school that offers an excellent education focused in the Catholic faith and community service. I just don't understand why so many people bashed the school when I originally asked about it on here a few months ago. Does St. John's really have that bad of a reputation throughout New York?
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<p>their 25th percentile is under 500</p>

<p>retention (1st year) under 80%</p>

<p>4 year grad rate under 30% (how…?)</p>

<p>on paper, they’re not a good school</p>

<p>but if you really like them, man, go for it. especially if they give you money then you can xfer out for a grad school degree</p>

<p>in NYC, the most respected Catholic school is Fordham.
In addition, at St JOhn’s there’s a HUGE difference between the Pharmacy students and the others. If you can get into the Honors Program
“40% classes have fewer than 20 students” = it’s not bad, definitely, but it isn’t all that great for a private university, not to mention there are 10% more than 40 v. Fordham: 48% under 20, 5% more than 40; Manhattan College, 47% under 20 and 0% over 40; Marymount has 56% below 20, 3% over 40…
St JOhn’s isn’t a bad school, but essentially OUTSIDE the Pharmacy program, it’s for moneyed Catholic kids who want to stay in the city and couldn’t get into the other Catholic colleges on the East Coast. There’s a lot of competition for Catholic students between Maine and DC!</p>

<p>If you like St John’s, check out Marquette, Saint Louis University, Siena, U Dayton, U San Diego, U San Francisco, U Seattle, U Portland, Villanova, Fairfield, Stonehill, Barry, De Paul, Duquesne. More selective, you have Holy Cross, St Michael’s (VT), Boston College…
In NYC you also have St Francis and St Joseph, also Marist and Manhattanville nearby.</p>

<p>^^^I agree, if you want a Catholic university in NYC, Fordham is your best choice. (For full disclosure, my S is a Fordham graduate and he had a wonderful experience at the school in every respect – academically, socially & spiritually) You might also look at Manhattan College while you are in town. </p>

<p>And with St. Johns you should try to find out how many students who live on campus go home for weekends. At Fordham the residential students virtually all stay on campus for the weekends.</p>