<p>berurah - thanks for the update/info on SAT II's. I was too lazy :rolleyes: to look it up and I've already forgotten - even tho it hasn't even been a year!</p>
<p>Gotta second JHU and Harvey Mudd for mudgerella. In case you're counting votes.</p>
<p>I thought the pic was about the farm cart! Designed to make Mudgette feel at home while attending college int he urban wilderness (no, the 'Vette is not part of the merit aid package).</p>
<p>I second Stanford. It has one of the top biology and neuroscience programs in the world, great research opportunities for undergraduates, plenty of sports teams. a beautiful campus, and good weather.</p>
<p>Cur:</p>
<p>Your D might find this interesting: <a href="http://wiseli.engr.wisc.edu/%5B/url%5D">http://wiseli.engr.wisc.edu/</a></p>
<p>It's a NSF funded program here at UW-Madison.</p>
<p>Cur,</p>
<p>Fabulous about the Danforth nominations. There are other scholarship opportunities at Wash U that your DD should take a look at, just in case. They require additional essays, just to drive as many people bonkers as possible in the process! Bet you are alrady on it, but just in case:
<a href="http://admissions.wustl.edu/admissions/ua.nsf/3rd%20Level%20Pages_Scholarships_scholarship_programs.htm?OpenPage&charset=iso-8859-1%5B/url%5D">http://admissions.wustl.edu/admissions/ua.nsf/3rd%20Level%20Pages_Scholarships_scholarship_programs.htm?OpenPage&charset=iso-8859-1</a></p>
<p>OK, so having done my plug for the home team, let's be a little more systematic. Let's assume A) there is no need to edge her towards urban given the ranks of suburban and rural she will have to choose from B) She doesn't want to go over 5-7,000 and might prefer the 2-3,000 range C) She might be able to play D3 basketball D) She doesn't want to take the SATIIs. Now let's assume that other than those constraints she can go anywhere she wants (in the real world we know the crapshoot is still in place).</p>
<p>So assume she wants to aim as high as possible. Harvard and Yale are too urban. Stanford and Princeton are in lovely suburbs, and both have great programs in her area and fit her conservative/liberal profile, which is really more critical for LACs than universities as unis are generally large enough to have something for almost everyone. Question 1. Is Stanford too large?</p>
<p>Moving along. MIT. In a city.</p>
<p>Moving along. Swarthmore. Maybe a little quirkier than she wants? Visit will be important. Williams. Agree with everyone except drinking is a big deal there. Amherst. Don't know it, but it looks nice from the website. </p>
<p>Moving on. Columbia, in a city, Penn, in a city. Cornell or Dartmouth - both could be good depending on how she feels about cold</p>
<p>Duke. Yes. WashU, in a city. Etc., etc. etc.</p>
<p>I think all you are doing is dumping a couple of safeties and picking a couple of reaches. So just make sure the reaches are exactly what she wants. I feel a fall visit coming on...which should be possible since finaid requirements mean no ED, right?</p>
<p>Congratulations again. Mudgie is one of the reasons I am still on this board, Mudgie, Carolyn's D and a few other '10ers. Well, OK, the '10ers and Sinner's Alley:)</p>
<p>xiggi: This is the last post I'll make on this subject. I'll be brief and try to respond to your comments in turn.</p>
<p>Once again, I believe that if a small LAC (less than 2,000 undergraduate population, with no graduate school) can provide students with equal research opportunities (in the sciences), as that of a larger school (and I am not saying that has to be a state university), I will bet that the small LAC is connected with a larger university/research labs nearby. While I can certainly believe research opportunities exist at the very small LAC, I don't think a student will find as many of those research opportunities available to them as what would be available at a larger school that brings in more research monies on the whole. And I stand by that. That larger school does not have to be a state university. </p>
<p>I agree and would hope that most people base their final choice of school on how that school fits one's criteria.</p>
<p>I do not feel that those who don't share my views on larger schools vs smaller schools as a personal attack. I happen to like small schools, but I can see the appeal for many for a larger school. If one has attended and has successfully navigated a large high school, for instance, that has 3,000+ kids and can do extremely well, I can understand how a school of half or less than half that population would seem sufficatingly small. Or not. Whatever. </p>
<p>And, yes, I do find folks on this board to be inordinately enamored with the smaller than small LAC. And that's fine by me. As I said before, people can choose home-schooling for college if they want. Their choices will not impact my life one way or the other. </p>
<p>I realize that most states do not have excellent state universities as fine as my own state; however, there are a few others out there. But I find that many of the posts on this forum do reflect a real ignorance about some of these finer state universities, and yes, I think that's a shame. </p>
<p>And, again, for what it's worth, many of those schools that are being suggested as good possibilities (MIT, some Ivy's, Duke, and maybe others) do require SAT IIs--or at least they did less than a year ago. </p>
<p>I also never said that the selection of a smaller school would be a mistake. What I suggested was that a somewhat larger school (my suggestions were Duke, Emory, Wake Forest..and I would add UChicago to that, too, but that is an urban setting, and they are notoriously stingy with merit and financial aid), and some of the other schools other folks have mentioned.. would offer her more research opportunities than the much smaller school. And, yeah, I still stand by that.</p>
<p>And sorry about the new SAT vs the old SAT. I only remember reading Cur's post of 1470, so I equated that score with the old SAT. Please forgive me, xiggi.</p>
<p>As far as anyone making decisions for the "Cur family," you are absolutely correct. No one should make that decision for them or for anyone else. Perhaps we should not even be making suggestions. As such, maybe the original post is pointless?</p>
<p>Lastly, I did find your earlier post incredibly nit-picky, i.e., they don't call them SAT II's anymore; they are called Subject Tests? Good grief. Get a grip.</p>
<p>Now I really am done here. I actually have things to do. Whew.</p>
<p>You know if she goes to Davidson, she can learn to water ski :).</p>
<p>Curmudge, you could just throw darts!
Something tells me if she's like Greensleeves, she has her own agenda anyway - you just better hope she lets you in on it! Any direct flights to St. Louis?</p>
<p>Berurah wrote: "My son applied to Yale, Stanford, Brown, Cornell, JHU, WashU, and Duke, and the only one of those which wanted SAT II scores was Cornell. " (I've completely forgotten how to do the quote thing-y.)</p>
<p>I believe that Yale does require the SATIIs. Williams does for sure. If she's adamant about not taking them, then there are two to cross off the list. With that splendid ACT score, I wouldn't worry about the subject tests -- she'll shine.</p>
<p>Driver, Yes! lunch at Five Corners is one of the high points of a Williams visit. I just keep repeating oh how fortunate we are.</p>
<p>
And something tells me she's a lot like Greensleeves.;)</p>
<p>Direct flights to St. Louis? Sure. Just drive 2 and 1/2 hours to the airport and we are there. Directly. </p>
<p>Goats, Ohio_Mom mentioned goats. Let's see-we started with Joe and Dariti who were full blood nubians , then it was Lucy the 1/2 nubian 1/2 spanish, then the two 3/4 boers, then there was the little one "Half-a-goat". So if I have done my genetics analysis correctly what we have now are "goats".</p>
<p>Washington University, in addition to Danforth, has as part of its Honorary Scholars program:</p>
<p>Florence Moog Fellowship Program<br>
(Up to three full-tuition fellowships with a $1,000 stipend in the biological sciences and chemistry)</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>Liselotte Dieckmann
Scholarship Program
(Up to 24 half-tuition scholarships in the College of Arts & Sciences)</p>
<p>lots of neuroscience resources--<a href="http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/%7Epnp/">http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~pnp/</a>; <a href="http://neuroscience.wustl.edu/%5B/url%5D">http://neuroscience.wustl.edu/</a></p>
<p>is known for undergrad research opportunities</p>
<p>Williams, Amherst, Middlebury</p>
<p>Curm:</p>
<p>We once were hiking in NH and passed a young man with a couple of Nubian goats. He'd just graduated from Swarthmore. He said he'd grown up on a farm and had missed having animals around in college. So he'd acquired the goats and was training them.</p>
<p>Training them for what?? Do I really want to know???</p>
<p>Come home from work and find all this new development and discussion!</p>
<p>Curmudgeon - I am happy for your daughter - great job on the ACT! I know this opens many more possibilities, but I am sure y'all will handle it with your usual panache. It's going to be quite a ride this admission season, isn't it?</p>
<p>Marite -
he was hiking with the goats? Way cool.</p>
<p>The anglo-saxons were not the world's best horse-people. They did, however, manufacture and use goat-carts. Victorians also had them for children. Goats are very intelligent animals, and appear to have a sense of humor.</p>
<p>Princeton's testing requirements below. Hmm. SATIIs really weren't bad. My D who had SAT and ACT stats pretty much identical to your D's took SATIIs and got 800s on M and V - FWIW.</p>
<p>Test Requirements</p>
<p>All applicants must submit official score reports of the SAT Reasoning (formerly SAT I) and SAT Subject (formerly SAT II) Testsin three different subject areas. (College Board)</p>
<p>New SAT</p>
<p>We recommend, but do not require, that all applicants for September 2006 entry take the new SAT Reasoning Test at least once. Score reports from the testing agency will include all of your SAT scores (old and new). We will consider your highest score for each component of the tests.</p>
<p>ACT</p>
<p>If all of your other college choices require ACT results and not the SAT, you may submit the ACT (old or new) to Princeton in place of the SAT Reasoning Test. As with the SAT, it is recommended that students take the new ACT with the writing option at least once. Three SAT Subject Tests are still required.</p>
<p>SAT Subject Tests for engineering</p>
<p>If you are considering a degree in engineering at Princeton, we strongly prefer that your SAT Subject Tests include either physics or chemistry and either mathematics level I or level II.</p>
<p>I've gotta say that everytime I read Princeton's ACT policy I have to laugh. Why don't they just drop the charade and say that the ACT isn't acceptable. I'm not aware of any college (though I guess there may be some out there) that "require ACT results and not the SAT". So for Princeton to say that an ACT score is acceptable only for those applicants who apply to Princeton and ONLY "ACT only" schools is ridiculous. I mean, how many applicants is that in any given year? </p>
<p>I don't mind them setting there own rules, but it's just strange the way they did it.</p>
<p>Alu, my total failure to realize that she may need SAT Subject Tests is a direct result of the hospital's failure to bar-code her rear at birth. A simple scan as she was progressing academically would have provided me with sufficient warning.</p>