<p>Jack, I'm sorry you felt that my comments were incredibly nit-picky. </p>
<p>I'll repeat my earlier comment because a question about Yale has come up in later posts -despite its incredible nit-pickiness. </p>
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The schools that require 3 Subject Tests (no longer called SATII) have become a small minority: among elite schools, while Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT cling to the 3 Subject Test requirements, most schools are now requiring only TWO Subject Tests.
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<p>Yes, Yale -and HPM- did and does require 3 Subject Tests. A few other schools -mostly colleges with Engineering/Science focus- require 3 Subject Tests with the typical requirement to have the Math Level II and one of Physics, Biology, or Chemistry. An interesting twist is that Harvard does NOT accept the Foreign Language Subject Tests presented by natives. They must have read about the UC loophole. :)</p>
<p>Congrats Curmudge and Daughter...I can See why you are at Sea! Last year in October my son also totally altered his test scores and we ended up in New England in a rental car one week before ED deadlines. Stressful but also memorable tour ensued and so I say enjoy this time with your girl and chill tonight. Tomorrow, try to elicit from her if she wants a wonderful Pomona or Middlebury or Swarthmore...or a larger school like Wash U (great city, but like Berurah warns...showing interest actually counts a lot there) Duke or JHU. She should consider Ivy apps for sure. I like the idea of St. Louis for her after a rural lifestyle...nice contrast--friendly Midwest but not Southern atmosphere for a change. But smaller schools are also heavenly if she wants intimacy with teachers and some great PhD prep. I don't envy you your suddenly wide open pathway.
Keep in mind from others' experiences that she may get some arbitrary waitlists (who knows why) as well as wonderful open doors and scholarship offers, so I say apply to at least 7-8 schools that offer merit scholarships. Duke has the Robertsons, JHU and Wash U and Vanderbilt can be very generous with merit money, and she might get her favorite Ivy option, too. It is fun watching your senior mature and change over this search, identifying her own comfort zones and preferences. Time to think about what group of peers she most wants to grow up with, what access to faculty and what slice of America would be wonderful. Pick at least four wonderfuls and we will all be cheering for her.</p>
<p>Dartmouth/Williams. Duke/Wash U. I'm echoing posts above but these 4 schools came to my mind too. Depends on what setting your daughter prefers!</p>
<p>Well, I just looked at the CollegeBoard site. Tomorrow is the deadline to register for the Nov. 5 SAT Subject Test....If you want to enter the world of the what-the-hell.</p>
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<p>Mudge-
Congrats!! What a gal! Many great schools have been mentioned here. Your wonderful daughter should also take a good look at Vassar. Wonderful opportunities for all areas of interest. Fantastic programs in Neuroscience and Behavior (previously known as the Biopsychology major), Cognitive Science, and their infamous STS major (Science, Technology and Society). The Music Dept is outstanding, and the Div III basketball team is doing well. The research opportunities are also incredible. And hey, she can continue to tend to her herd on the 500 acre Vasssar farm. With her stats, she should surely get $$$ thrown her way. Feel free to PM me if you want to chat about VC later...</p>
<p>I don't have any schools to add to your list (what is it up to about 50 or so at this point?), but wanted to add my congrats to your D, not only for her great accomplishments, but also for getting out of braces ;). You must be incredibly proud!</p>
<p>Curmudgeon,
What jumped off the page for me in your description, even more than her terrific score, was 1) raising goats 2) tuba (all state?) These are the things that set your daughter apart and make her way more interesting than most other high scorers on standardized tests. I really hope she is considering writing her personal essay about some aspect of raising goats...the adcoms will be riveted! Also, tuba is an extremely unusual instrument for a girl, and is a relatively rare instrument in general. An interest in playing in college would make her extremely desireable, (tho I wonder if she realistically could do that if she played b-ball for the school). Anyway, as many others have said, your daughter encompasses many special and unusual attributes, along with great academic stats. If Brown will accept the ACT without the SAT subject tests, I think that would be a fabulous option. The campus is lovely, doesn't feel cityish at all, and the culture seems like it would be a good fit for her. I would think she'd have a major shot at getting in.</p>
<p>Mudgie will have mucho opportunities even if she won't take them, but several that we are mentioning do, in fact, require them and several "recommend" them. I'm guessing that the goats trump the recommendeds. ;)</p>
<p>Stanford, eg, "recommends"
Dartmouth and Williams, eg, require 2, according to this site and its link directly to Dartmouth's and Wm's sites</p>
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<p>Yale will take the ACT in lieu of the SAT I and IIs. My son submitted just an ACT score to them last year. Harvard still required the SAT IIs with the ACT, and I'm not sure about P and M. ~berurah</p>
<p>I've seen a lot of UAA sports; it's a chance to play a good brand of D3 sports and still go to a major research U...WashU definitely, UChicago, CMU, JHU (recently left the league) but still a D3 research U that might fit the bill. And all if I'm not mistaken with merit scholarships.</p>
<p>What kind of retainer is D getting? See if the orthodontist can place a "fixed" retainer, a bar that's cemented to the inside of her lower teeth. If she has the removable kind there will come a time when she isn't gung ho about wearing it (like next year). Then the teeth can get crooked again, quickly sometimes. If the thing is glued in, especially if it's bonded to all 6 of the lower teeth individually and not just the end teeth (canines) then there's no way the teeth will move. If the bottom teeth don't move, the tops won't. And she'll never lose them (retainers), or forget to put them in for a week and still expect them to fit. Often if the bottom teeth are bonded like that you don't even need an upper retainer at all.</p>
<p>My poor S had to go back in braces for 4 months his senior year because he didn't get the fixed retainer...since he's had the fixed one the teeth have been perfect.</p>
<p>Oy vey, Maria. Schools as disparate as Smith, Vassar, and U/Chicago from the list suggested would occur to me. 'Mudge, anent previous discussions, I'll drop you a PM/e-mail.</p>
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<p>Brigham Young University--ACT is a must; SAT won't do.</p>
<p>Oh, C'mon, Alumother, I've been voodooing Curmudge ever since my daughter got into Dart (hence the incomprehensible post about shaking a rattle, and murmuring incantations - it means something to him), to get his daughter into Dart as well ;) - cut me some slack here! I want to meet the guy in the flesh or the sandals or the angora or the chaps or whatever!</p>
<p>Curmudge and Carolyn - glad to hear the orthodontia is proceeding with less pain, and more success. DD has one of those bars glued to the bottom of her mouth, but she also wore a removal retainer at night for about 18 months after her braces came out - she got them out at late 14, did not have the extensive surgery, thank heaven. I remember the ortho muttering something about she might need to have the bar changed out in about 10 years or so, don't know why - perhaps the lifespan of the glue? Might be something to ask about.</p>
<p>I'm going to suggest Pomona. Because: They take the ACT. A friend's son went there because it gave him the best deal financially. They have basketball. I don't know how good their science/pre-med is, but my hunch is pretty good.</p>
<p>LOL, you and Carolyn are really going to keep us going right up until the end! Well, Good Luck. And please do stick around for next year so you can use all of your knowledge to help me and my D! Last year, I kind of thought I knew where she was headed--somehow things have gotten more muddled. So we'll probably just wait for the PSAT results and see what gets eliminated via test scores and go from there . . . (By the way--I know I should know this but--when do they get those results?--D says the test is tomorrow.)</p>
<p>Uhhh, audiophile is DMD "d(arn) mean dentist"?</p>
<p>Thanks folks . I am printing out the dental info. I've never heard of what you are talking about and it certainly wasn't offered. I wonder if it has anything to do with her wearing her almost $400 custom fitted mouthguard to play ball.</p>
<p>As to all the schools. I am literally overwhelmed . All this, flashy new chompers, and D's team was just picked today in the state top twenty in a major pre-season poll. Woo-hoo! This has been a good day. I need time to study.</p>
<p>Thedad-
Ya lost me after "oy vey maria". What list were you proposing, based on her current criteria?? And from the sounds of what 'mudge is going through, sounds like we shouldn't bat our eyes or his dd's college criteria might change. Maybe he ought to get one of those goats to give her a kick in the head.. or a swift kick in the a... (jk, 'mudge!)</p>