<p>yeah, Stern is very cutthroat and "cold", the students go after each other with daggers- yeah, right. don't fall for anecdotes from people who can't handle the work. its very simple these days to resort to this excuse, i have spoken to numerous Stern students and there is no hostile environment.</p>
<p>No, sweetnsarah, it is blatantly obvious that, in my opinion, Stern is an icecap. The last time I visited NYU, a glacier rolled over my face.</p>
<p>Tepper is a great school....I only decided to attend after visiting the school...I have met with students and professors and I have had a first-hand experience at Tepper....I would definetely recommend Tepper....</p>
<p>I have not researched much about Stern so I can't say anything about it...It was my first choice because it was closer to home...but I have to say I really liked CMU...all the students I talked to (not just those who help out in the admissions) had this excitement and energy...it was great!</p>
<p>Fine, superchica. If you must compare the weather of CMU vs. NYU, you must keep in mind that there are polar bears and penguins running rampant on the CMU campus.</p>
<p>CMU's IT jobs are being outsourced to India as I post, lol</p>
<p>"Gatorade, the description of Stern as "cold" was referring to the cold personalities, not the weather.</p>
<p>Also, I'm not exactly sure of the statistics but I'm sure you are since you know everything. If CMU gets only 4-5 students into one company, then Stern, which is practically 6 times the size of Tepper, should get more than 30 kids each into Lehman Bros, JPMorgan, Merill Lynch, and IBM. Is that true? 30 kids into each of those companies? Actually it should be more than that, since Stern's much better than Tepper, right?"</p>
<p>I missed the reference to "cold personalities", my bad. </p>
<p>Yes, Stern is bigger than Tepper. And it is has quite more reputation for ibankers than Tepper does. Check out recruiting contacts for Stern undergrads at Lehman: <a href="http://www.lehmanbrothers.com/careers/americas/rec_school.shtml?nav1=rc&nav2=School%20Contacts&nav3=&nav4=#nyu%5B/url%5D">http://www.lehmanbrothers.com/careers/americas/rec_school.shtml?nav1=rc&nav2=School%20Contacts&nav3=&nav4=#nyu</a></p>
<p>That is 8 contacts versus 0 at Tepper(unless you count IT. then its like .5 contact).</p>
<p>Once again, I never said Tepper is bad. I just said it is not respected by the top recruiting companies. Everyone's argument is that Tepper is small and that top recruiters are recruiting, just in smaller numbers because Tepper is small. I say thats not true. If Wharton shrunk to the size of Tepper, it would still have recruiters come to its campus. If Stern was the size of Tepper, recruiters would still come to campus. What Tepper lacks, is respect from recruiters. I have inside sources as well at CMU who told me the truth about Tepper's reputation. Still no one explains to me why most of the top Ibanks/MC are not visiting Tepper students. If we look at students equally or less comparable to Tepper students, like an honors business program which normally consist of 70-100 students, you will see that they are sending their small class size of students to more prestigious firms.</p>
<p>Don't believe me? Why don't we take a look at UTexas Austin McCombs BHP(Honors Business)? It's a pretty small program compared to Wharton and Stern, so size shouldn't be a factor in why they are sending kids to top firms. </p>
<p>BHP Top Hiring Firms: Accenture, Blackstone Group, Bear Stearns, Bain, SSB, ect etc.
<a href="http://www.mccombs.utexas.edu/programs/bhp/corporate/recruit.asp%5B/url%5D">http://www.mccombs.utexas.edu/programs/bhp/corporate/recruit.asp</a>
That list looks a lot more stacked than Tepper's list. Also note that these companies actually go on campus to recruit BHP students exclusively. Why don't these same recruiters come to Tepper?</p>
<p>With the larger business schools, sure there is going to be more diversity among employers. It makes sense that a company is not going to take x amount of kids proportional to the size of the class. But at the same time, at these b-schools, there is more diversity in interest, locations, and jobs. For example, I don't see a single Tepper student signed up for Teach for America. I don't see a single Tepper student doing entreprenurial work. And these bigger b-schools have more companies coming to recruit on-campus, more prestigious and less. If you are the top student at Tepper, whats the best business type job you can get. Perhaps, MC at a good firm or IBank at Lehmans or whatever you're interested in. However, there is a lot of doors that will not be open to a top Tepper student that would be from a Ross, Stern, McIntire, Wharton, etc. For example, the prestigious PE position at Blackstone Group. As a Tepper student, that door is closed to you. Lazard is closed to you. Several other top jobs for students interested in business are closed. These doors generally open for only the top kids at the following schools: Wharton, Stern, Harvard, Stanford, Mich, BHP, and... UVA.
Lazard Link: <a href="http://www.lazard.com/careers/FA-NA-UG.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.lazard.com/careers/FA-NA-UG.html</a></p>
<p>Well, I guess choosing between Stern and Tepper is not an issue for you gatorade, as you didn't get into Tepper (which I see from previous posts you made). </p>
<p>I think this has been argued to death.</p>
<p>Sarah, are you trying to make a point? For your information, I will be sending my deposit to Northwestern Economics. I could play the same game and say that you enjoyed a much easier admissions standards because you're a girl, but I won't.</p>
<p>I was considering Tepper for PWL because it provides a good business education. I was looking for information on CC to help me make my decision, but time after time I found certain posters to mislead me and others. It's one thing to be biased about your school, its another thing to provide inaccurate information. Unfortunately there are too many inflated egos on this board.</p>
<p>Last year, 81 students enrolled out of 401 acceptees. That's a yield of 21%. Obviously not everyone thinks Tepper is the ****.</p>
<p>I'm not going to Tepper, so I cannot be biased about "my school" since we are not at all discussing Wharton, which is where I already sent my deposit. Good thing I'm fortunate enough to be a girl, otherwise I'd never have gotten in.</p>
<p>I do feel bad about being part of the 79% to decline Tepper, because I really do love it and it was my second choice. However, common sense dictates that first choice > second choice.</p>
<p>"Good thing I'm fortunate enough to be a girl, otherwise I'd never have gotten in."</p>
<p>I'm sorry you feel that way because I don't. If you read my post again, you'll notice that I never made a comment about you getting in because you are a girl. I simply said that you took a cheap shot at me which is as low as someone saying you got in because you are a girl. Don't assume too much.</p>
<p>Yes, Tepper does have a good program which is why I am still considering it even though everyone I know told me to go to Northwestern. All I'm saying is that Tepper students, probably unfairly, are overlooked by major firms when it comes time to recruiting.</p>
<p>5+5+4+4 = 18. 18 out of 84 going to the four companies of Merill, IBM, JP Morgan, and Lehman out of almost 40 companies. This is significant evidence to show that these are not outliers especially when I have talked with most seniors while you are mainly speculating about a college you have no experience with. </p>
<p>The data is similar for Economics so if you believe JP Morgan, Merill, Lehman, and IBM are "crappy" companies then go ahead and believe that.</p>
<p>AA: Please stop using that one single fact. Did you check out what jobs they are doing at these companies. At Merrill, only one states that he is in investments and he is not even located in NYC. At IBM, 2 are strategy and change consultants. That isn't the prestigious position at IBM. At JPMorgan, only one is in Investment Bank.</p>
<p>You continue to misquote me. When did I say they are crappy companies. But they are as willing to look at a Tepper resume as they are to look at a VTech resume(in fact, Vtech sends more students to these companies, I visited their career center). I know what you'll say. VTech is bigger! But here's my point. You have to look at Vtech kids who are capable at Tepper kids(no one is saying Tepper kids aren't smart). And out of those kids, kids who are interested in business(many of the smarter kids are in engineering). That leaves you with a much smaller pool. </p>
<p>Let's take Student A and B. Both get into Tepper and VTech. They are EQUALLY capable. One goes to Tepper, one goes to VTech. At the end of the day, both students will have similar job opportunities. Tepper doesn't open more doors if it doesn't have more elite recruiters on campus. Recruiters aren't specifically looking for Tepper kids, they are looking for qualified kids. Sure Tepper kids are qualified. But shouldn't there be more doors opened to them like the kids at Wharton, Stern, McIntire experience. Doors that include recruiters that are specifically looking for students at their company.. companies that include Lazard, BlackStone, etc etc.</p>
<p>I'm not going to turn this into another massive 10 page thread so if you want to keep speculating about a college you have no experience about and going against the consistent high rankings for job placement (NewsWeek, the old PRreview when they did hottest colleges for jobs, etc) then go ahead. </p>
<p>Just let the readers believe who they want; Newsweek + seniors + current college students or an applicant who is now going to Northwestern.</p>
<p>You can give a rebuttal and then I hope we can end this in order to prevent another 10 page+ thread that helps no one. Because the reason I am here is to help other students, not to argue endlessly vs Stern and Northwestern kids.</p>
<p>Edit: To summarize, there is a reason NewsWeek and other rankings consistently put Tepper ahead in job opps and if you want to go against then go ahead but I believe 10+ seniors are not lying to me and neither is the career center nor the actual INTERNS I have received this summer. NewsWeek do not pull things out of their @ss, they know what they are doing.</p>
<p>Gatorade, I find you utterly fascinating.</p>
<p>^ It's hard to sense sarcasm over the internet. So I'll take it as a compliment. Thanks!</p>
<p>AA: I figured out why we're having differences. You're looking at the situation from the perspective of an average student. For the average student the average salary then becomes important and is quite high at Tepper. Also, there is less in-house competition which is favorable for the student. I'm looking at the situation from the perspective of that student who is motivated to reach the top of his class. For that student, Tepper might not be the best option because of the points I mentioned before(no doors opening to more exclusive jobs such as Lazard, BCG, etc.) A top student at Tepper will probably be a top student at McIntire. But at McIntire, his options now include entertaining a job offer from Lazard while the Tepper student won't have that opportunity.</p>
<p>whatever, you say, Tepper does not have a strong presence in Wall Street, i have read countless threads on CMU-tepper students handling back office work. CMU may be a good school with nice, safe, "warm" campus, but we can say that Stern is clearly better than Tepper. do whatever you please, but in the end when you are going to have to pay back those college debts that you get from attending CMU or NYU, you are going to need a good job and this is where Stern wins. it would be wrong to use the US NEWS to support your claim, because it is well known fact that the their ranking sucks and is not representative of true strength of respective schools. some of the schools that they have grouped together clearly don't belong in the same league. Stern has more name and reputation and this is what is going to land you that job. Tepper may be good, but Stern is clearly better.</p>
<p>Wow Legion I guess we've taken a step forward only to take 3 steps back? I know you've said you were biased and stubborn before but I assumed we had already finished this topic. </p>
<p>Now, we are ranked #1 for jobs consistently by RECRUITERS and PEOPLE who actually matter and do research. We also send a majority to NY. Our class has Ibankers, consultants, traders and managers as can be seen from the Business + Economic surveys. </p>
<p>It is pretty clear from the Econ survey that more Econ students go for a money route while business has more variation from consulting to marketing to Ibanking etc. </p>
<p>I wouldn't trust 18 year olds to know the situation and especially not BIASED Stern kids (you said so yourself so you can't blame me :)) who have had the nerve in the past to compare Stern to top Ivies and then get destroyed in a 8+ page argument. I had quite a laugh reading that thread and it seems the same bias is coming through here.</p>
<p>Tepper is a rising force and it is a top business school whether you like it or not. The median salaries don't lie and I have already proven that we send the most to top companies like Merill/JP Morgan/IBM/Lehman while maintaining Ibanking at both + analysts, management, and consultants.</p>
<p>Econ shows the same results with even more in consulting/banking. </p>
<p>"i have read countless threads on CMU-tepper students handling back office work. " LOL. Yea well I've seen countless threads of Stern kids being so inferior as to go to other college's boards every single day to moan and insult other colleges. It is pretty clear what is going on when you have recently posted things like "here is my biased opinion, stern is better than haas". </p>
<p>Biased indeed.</p>
<p>AA: Read my most previous post. Also, we should get Alexandre(most respected poster on CC) to give his opinion on this thread. do you want to pm him or should i?</p>
<p>I agree with your MOST of your previous post and I believe it was one of your most unbiased posts. I can expand on what I disagree with later but it is Sunday and I have some work to finish up :)</p>
<p>You can PM Alex if you wish but:
1. Alex has agreed with me on most points on the Ross/Tepper thread in order for me to be satisfied. He has also agreed that Tepper/Stern are comparable and that is enough for me to be satisfied.</p>
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<li>Alex does not know the recruitment abilities of Tepper any better than you or any other non-Tepper student who has not been introduced to our graduating senior class. NewsWeek and the old PR did have such info and their rankings show accordingly. Alex even claimed at first that Tepper was not as good because it sent 1/4 of the NUMBER to top firms but recanted his statement when I corrected him that Tepper was 1/5.5th the size of Ross. Alex is a VERY well-educated adult but even he does not know Tepper as well as Newsweek or I. </li>
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<p>Alex 03-24-2006, 09:32 AM :Tepper and Ross are roughly the same size, but four times as many Ross students join major IBs and MCs than Tepper students."
Actual Size: 335 Ross vs 59 Tepper.</p>
<p>Like I said, I really don't want to turn this thread into another 10+ page argument and my main goal here is to help students. I would rather lose infinite arguments and help kids out with real dilemmas over choosing colleges than to have everyone hate both of us (like what happened in the previous thread) </p>
<p>Also: I have miscalculated something. 18/59 students or 30% go to the 4 companies of Merill/JP Morgan/IBM/Lehman out of over 40 companies. Having 3x the students going to a supposed 10% of companies is quite a significant data. Also remember that these 40 companies are the ones chosen, not the ones who are recruiting. Such numbers are actually higher (especially when you take into account the Econ post-grad survey).</p>
<p>i agree i am biased, there is nothing wrong with admitting it. you are biased yourself, attending Tepper. by the way, I am not a Stern student yet, going to be. its not my fault, that some stupid person keeps going back taking a swipe at another school and makes statements based on someone elses account. its not the inferiorty, much more school pride as I said earlier. you keep mentioning the salary and the four companies- supposedly you have a higher salary than Wharton, that doesn't make Tepper better. i never said Tepper was a bad school, but Stern gives you much more for the money, considering that they both cost about the same. The fact is undeniable, more firms recruit in Stern than Tepper. Goldman Sachs and all the other big firms are in Bangalore and Mumbai looking for cheaper IT options. AA, i too don't want to mislead people into picking a school, just giving my opinion. How is the work load in Tepper? how do you find so much time to post?</p>