<p>"here is my biased opinion, stern is better than haas".
- this was because I didn't know enough on Haas to comment. thats why I stated that I was just giving my biased opinion, rather than compare each school on merit and give my thoughts. i am unlike other students that you seem to be referring to, in that I know the limitations and know very well what schools I am comparing before I post.</p>
<p>That is my point. I have talked with current Tepper kids and I know the situation around here. I would not say I am biased (perhaps a bit) but rather newly "informed" of career information. You definitely won't see me on other college's boards arguing. I am really just trying to provide information that was given to me upon my attending the University for a year (and meeting seniors through business parties/organizations).</p>
<p>The workload at Tepper is not that hard at all. I actually don't post that much since I stay IN the CMU boards rather than check out say, NYU's boards or Cornell's boards. </p>
<p>Finally, I think you should are confusing different firms with # of firms. Microsoft/Google and other companies highly respect CMU and offer consulting jobs (show in Econ). Goldman Sachs does recruit at CMU as can be shown from both Econ/Tepper and I would not call Lehman/Merill/JP Morgan/IBM "small" firms as you implied from calling Goldman Sachs a "big" firm. </p>
<p>I was quite satisfied with leaving the argument at that Tepper/Stern are comparable and it depends on the individual instead of your latest "Stern is better" argument when you have YET to attend either school and are no more qualified than me to speak about Stern and much less so about Tepper. You seem to have a clear contradiction in posting with " i am unlike other students that you seem to be referring to, in that I know the limitations and know very well what schools I am comparing before I post." and then "stern is clearly better" in a span of 5 posts apart.</p>
<p>AA: yes good firms recruit but for **** jobs. tepper kids work behind the scenes to let the front office people run the show easier.</p>
<p>Lehman/Merill/JP Morgan/IBM all need to employ janitors... just because those janitors work for good firms does not make them anything more than janitors. not everyone who works at a good firm has a good job. the grad reports show that very few CMU grads, if any, work in the front office earning the real money.</p>
<p>Entry level jobs as Ibanking analysts have really similar pay. If Goldman Sachs hires 3 kids. 1 from Wharton, 1 from UVA, 1 from some state college, all for the same job, I highly doubt that the salary difference will be very large, if at all, so all this "our median salary is higher than your median salary" talk is really quite useless. If you want to compare salaries, compare salaries 5-10 years down the road, when it actually matters.</p>
<p>Lbtg47 good one, tepper pepper</p>
<p>Guys....u all need to stop being so caustic in your comments. I'm going to Stern next year but that doesn't mean I think Tepper sucks. It definitely doesn't. Granted, I still don't think it's quite of an ibanking powerhouse as Stern, but still, it's a pretty good school overall, especially in Quant. Analysis.</p>
<p>Seriously...this comparison of schools is starting to turn into little personal battles.</p>
<p>I'm quite curious to know that if these firms actually recruit at CMU, why are they so ashamed to post CMU on their recruiting websites? I have yet to see one single ibank or MC firm put CMU on their list for coveted positions.</p>
<p>You still haven't answered my question AA. Why does Lazard and Blackstone Group, considered by Harvard/Penn/Stanford grads to be the most prestigious business job one can land from undergrad, recruits at McIntire and not Tepper.</p>
<p>"Lehman/Merill/JP Morgan/IBM all need to employ janitors... just because those janitors work for good firms does not make them anything more than janitors. not everyone who works at a good firm has a good job. the grad reports show that very few CMU grads, if any, work in the front office earning the real money."
LOL. I like how you mentioned the janitors, nice touch!</p>
<p>You can recruit your little gang and make little janitor jokes but I think in the view of the public it only makes yourselves look bad. I guess Investment Banking under Tepper and Econ post-grad stat is not considered Ibanking enough for you? </p>
<p>"the grad reports show that very few CMU grads, if any, work in the front office earning the real money." The grad report shows exactly the opposite. </p>
<p>I don't expect much especially when gatorade here is on PW waitlist and legion is a known Stern troll who is so insecure about his college he has to make posts like:</p>
<p>NYU- Stern Jobs </p>
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<p>Hi! How are the salaries after you graduate out of Stern? It would really help if you could post up ur GPA, Company name and about how much you make per year. Is Stern worth the money after you get out?</p>
<p>Stern in comparison to other undergrad b-school </p>
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<p>Is Stern worth putting in more than 40 thousand dollars a year? Will I be able to find a top paying job after I graduate from Stern? I will be applying early decision to Stern this upcoming November and I want to make sure that I am making the right decision by applying to Stern. I just need assurance from students who are currently attending that this a top notch school and is respectable in comparison to other top undergrad b-schools in (Carnegie Mellon, Upenn, MIT...). Oh yeah, I intend to major in finance and international business.</p>
<p>Why does Stern take so many transfers from community colleges? Doesn't it hurt the school?
Wharton Transfer </p>
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<p>When is the best time(freshman, sophomore) to transfer into Wharton and what are the requirements? What factors play a role? I will be transferring from a top 5 business school.</p>
<p>Wharton Transfer </p>
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<p>When is the best time(freshman, sophomore) to transfer into Wharton and what are the requirements? What factors play a role? I will be transferring from a top 5 business school.</p>
<p>Can you at least attend Stern before you consider transferring and feeding your inferiority complex? At least go to your respective colleges before you spout off your janitor jokes. :)</p>
<p>i just wanna mention that blackstone really only recruits at harvard or wharton for undergrad, and occasionally UVA or Umich. It does not recruit at stern or tepper (not dissing the schools, just mentioning facts). So i think the blackstone references shouldnt continue.
here's the link to CMU's career stats:
<a href="http://business.tepper.cmu.edu/files/2004_2005businessadministrationcareerstats.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://business.tepper.cmu.edu/files/2004_2005businessadministrationcareerstats.pdf</a></p>
<p>As you can see, there are more cmu tepper grads in back office work, but there are those in investment banking or trading roles, and one hire from a hedge fund, citadel, for its technology program. </p>
<p>I think in terms of job placement, NYU - Stern is better, but CMU is probably catching up.</p>
<p>you have tons of time on your hand to go through my posts- i was in the process of applying to colleges and picking one for myself, so better do my research than end up in places like CMU. glad i picked Stern. yes, Wharton is much better than Stern and if I do get a chance, I will transfer. Ofcourse, I was curious to know how much graduates make. it is you who has a inferiority complex, spending your time responding to 18 year olds online, what are you 20? How people long to go to Tepper- 200-300 are given offers and less than 100 decide to take the offer(really sad). I don't even know why I am making fun of your school, guess I have a lot of time on my hand being a senior in hs. if you have that much time on your hands, i can say that tepper is not academically challenging. Stern i hear offers more of a intellectuall challenge. i figure, you have classes today, so how about focusing on them.</p>
<p>Haha hit a nerve did I?
I think your post contradicts itself enough and further shows off your inferiority complex in a way that I do not have to bother responding to it. For those that care, I am 18 and I get frequent "thank you's" in my PM box from helping kids with questions and problems. That is why I am here. </p>
<p>Now for the rest: I suggest people talk to the career center + graduating seniors and rely on real results (such as the stats on the postgrad surveys and Newsweek ratings) rather than on personal opinions. </p>
<p>I think we've about beat the topic to death so if anyone has any REAL questions concerning info (or would like AIM SNs of some current Tepper seniors) feel free to PM me (recently cleared out some old stuff but if you get a msg saying my box is full, just wait for me to clear my box again :))</p>
<p>legionaire...."of course" is two words, "intellectual" is not spelled with two "L's" at the end, and i highly suggest you find another method of ranking the academic rigor of an institution based on how many times one of their students posts on college confidential....</p>
<p>I think it's sad that you haven't even attended Stern and yet you want to transfer out already - that doesn't really say much about it.</p>
<p>thanks for checking the spelling, i had better things to do like go play tennis than checking my spelling on the posts
and AA, no you didn't, i would be stupid to take anything said here on to myself. and yes, I agree Wharton is better, I would love to transfer.</p>
<p>If you want to transfer, then that shows you don't think highly enough of Stern to want to stay for 4 years.</p>
<p>hey don't get me wrong, i would love to be in Stern for the next four year, but if i do get a chance to transfer, i will, no doubt. most people would do the same.</p>
<p>no legionaire...i think AA got it right when he said you have an inferiority complex....you just can't stand it if your school isn't ranked number 1. you might say that there's nothing wrong with that...but i think it hurts your ability to truly understand what the college experience is about. but more importantly, it again shows your die-hard tendency to choose a school more for its name and how impressed people will be when you tell them you go there, rather than whether the school gives you a good environment, good education, and good overall experience. you obviously don't care about that, which is fine.....but don't use that mindset to argue for or against choosing colleges because it's in poor taste. sorry if that sounded harsh.</p>
<p>also i think it's important to note that statistics are helpful, but ultimately it comes down to the individual....if you are talented in the business world, then coming out of tepper or stern or wharton or wherever will not affect your chances of becoming successful to such a great extent</p>
<p>If most people would seize any opportunity to transfer, then Stern really isn't as great as you keep saying it is, is it? Really, if an education is THAT wonderful, then it should yield a greater freshman retention rate, rather than a bunch of freshman who are drooling over Wharton.</p>
<p>ultmgmr, i agree to a certain degree. if i were going to community college, i would have to defend my decision, but i don't see any reason to do so. sarah, wharton is top prize among the b-schools, trust me, there are many people that would love to transfer, no matter how great your own school is. whatever Stern is its not bigger than Wharton when it comes to academics. who said most people would seize any opportunity to transfer? Wharton is not just ANY school. i'm not sure, what Stern's retention rate is, but i surmise that it is pretty high because it does offer THAT wonderful education. but as always it can be better. many people try transfer out of Columbia but it doesn't take away from the fact that it is a wonderful school nonetheless.</p>