<p>“Perfect 2400 SAT
Perfect 36 ACT
A 5 on each of his 7 AP tests
Oh yeah, the kid’s Asian.”</p>
<p>Are you kidding me? The kid needs to get laid.. </p>
<p>“The students at my school are staging a rebellion. If he doesn’t get in, there’s going to be a mass suicide. I feel it coming. LOL.”</p>
<p>You mean the asian kids…no one at your school probably gives a …</p>
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<p>I love how if somebody had said “only blacks and latinos care about drugs and gang activity” there would have been an enormous outrage on this thread, but stereotyping asians is just fine, because apparently politically correctness only extends to certain minorities. and in spite of all that, blacks and latinos still apparently deserve AA because they are “discriminated against” and subjected to stereotyping.. irony to the extreme.</p>
<p>^^^ stop going off on dumb tangents…</p>
<p>Who else would care? Seriously?</p>
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<p>That’s exactly the problem. Seriously, grow up…</p>
<p>Yale’s not looking for the perfect-scorer, necessarily. They’re looking for someone more interesting, I guess.</p>
<p>And I don’t see how anyone on CC could doubt that Affirmative Action exists. Schools even SAY they practice it. No secrets.</p>
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<p>I have, more than a few times. Some people like to think that the person would’ve gotten in regardless of their ethnicity, etc. :rolleyes:</p>
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That’s not an argument as to whether or not it exists, unless you’re trying to say that no black/native american/hispanic/what-have-you people can get into college without Affirmative Action…</p>
<p>People forget again and again and again that the admissions process is holistic. Perfect grades and SATs are only part of the equation and only lend so much weight. There are people I know with great grades/scores who are rejected and accepted, and people I know with not so great grades/scores who are rejected and accepted. The thing that is a common factor is that on average, the people who are accepted are people who you could say “They deserved to get in.” They’re usually quality people who are bright and well-rounded. Those who didn’t get in usually have something lacking somewhere – be it activities, involvement, effort, creativity/soul, interests, anything.</p>
<p>There are a few kids I know from other high schools back in the day who had perfect grades/near-perfect SAT’s. While they were smart guys and were involved in a few activities, they were not passionate. You’ll find that at top colleges, there’s a TON of passion. I attend Penn and it literally reeks of passion… every single person here has an obsession with something, it seems. </p>
<p>You have to have a little bit of everything. I mean there are plenty of kids with stellar SATs who ended up here at Penn too. Having good grades and scores won’t hurt you – but if you’re someone capable of achieving those scores, you’d better show that you’ve put that same kind of effort into the other aspects of your academic career and passion.</p>
<p>Going by stats alone isn’t going to give you the whole picture. You’d have to read the recs, essays, school records/histories, interview summaries, etc. There is a lot more information that the adcoms shell through that we on CC don’t see.</p>
<p>Even kids with passion don’t get in… the National President of FBLA, perfect grades and SATs, plus varsity tennis, plus other awards was deferred EA from Yale. Explain that one…</p>
<p>Please do remember that ‘deferred’ doesn’t equal ‘rejected’. Many of these students may get in during the regular round.</p>
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<p>Well yeah. That’s the private school’s excuse for AA. Before the 1900’s, admission to HYPS was 100%, since you only needed to pass a certain cutline. However, the problem was that during the 1900’s, a bunch of smart Jews passed the cutline, almost outnumbering the WASP kids. So what did HYPS do? They decided to make a ‘holistic’ approach to college admission. Result? A bunch of Jews were denied admission while they were clearly better in EVERY aspect than their non-Jew counterparts… Holistic approach… IMO that’s a really effective rhetoric created to protect diversity</p>
<p>The only people who actually get their panties in a bunch over AA are usually the annoying overachievers that constantly talk about school or what grade they got on their physics test. Everyone else knows it exists and it’s just something they get over. So um…get over it. </p>
<p>The kids who get perfect scores and whatever sometimes do have crappy essays. It’s not like every kid has something meaningful to talk about, so they output another standard essay that does nothing for the AdCom.</p>
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please do not be so simple minded about stereotypes. all stereotypes hinder the way in which people interact but not all are negative. some are even considered positive. which is probably more harmful? being stereotyped as being an overachiever who is obsessed with college admissions or being stereotyped as being into drugs and gang activity?</p>
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there are too many kids that make it to “cutline.” that’s why colleges consider arbitrary things like ECs, essays, recs, etc to make their decisions. also one thing i find funny about your example is that you bring up the late 1800s and the early 1900s and how admissions chances were much higher (100% probably a little to high ;)). do you realize though how few applicants there would have been…? i mean, who even went to college then?</p>
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is this a generalization? yep. i can understand what you are trying to say, but this is a pretty bad exaggeration…</p>
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protecting diversity… so it’s good right?</p>
<p>I love how people use the holistic aspect of the admission’s process to defend AA, saying that race doesn’t make that much of a difference. Then do you really believe that Asians in general just have that much worse ECs, essays, and recs? And that protected minorities as a whole have that much BETTER ECs, essays, and recs? Enough to justify the huge discrepancy in what colleges consider an okay score for Asians, and what colleges consider an okay score for blacks and Hispanics?</p>
<p>^i don’t think anybody thinks that, because that would mean AA doesn’t exist, which nobody is saying. </p>
<p>The continued existence of this thread puzzles me…</p>
<p>yea seroiusly…no matter how many AA threads there are, there’s always gonna be somebody out there that needs to rant because him/herself or one of his/her friends feels wronged.</p>
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<p>I’m not making any judgments myself. I’m simply stating what others have asserted.</p>
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No, you said “People have said this, which is an argument that AA doesn’t exist.” However, it was NOT an argument that AA does not exist. Your interpretation of it was incorrect.</p>
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<p>Just because something exists doesn’t mean you should be quiet about it and “get over it” - there have been plenty of things in the past where if someone didn’t step up and try to change it, there would still be some pretty nasty practices in place today.<br>
(For the record, I’m against AA despite the little boost my app probably gets because I’m a female applying to engineering programs).</p>
<p>/aa debate that’s going to start.</p>