Summer Federal Pell Grant + Financial Aid Census Date Abuse?

<p>If someone has a 0 EFC and is already receiving maximum Federal Pell Grant of $5,500 for the academic year at a UC, what is the maximum amount in Federal Pell Grant they may receive in the Summer at a UC? Apparently in Summer 2010 they started giving a separate Federal Pell Grant for the summer for UCs. I just found this out today. </p>

<p>Also some colleges have a census date where they take a snapshot of a student's registration units to determine whether or not to take back financial aid if you drop below units. Some colleges have the census date the day before the drop deadline. What if you drop your classes on the deadline like at the last possible hour? Or you have "special conditions" that lets you drop your classes past the deadline? Then you can actually get away with keeping your financial aid and still take below units. Has someone ever did this before? If so, can you tell me your experience. I'm actually asking this for a friend.</p>

<p>I still know that they check cumulative progress in terms of units completion though but some colleges don't check every term. They just check the total 36 quarter units / 24 semester units at the end of the year so you can "make up" the "lost" units with a heavier load in another preceding or seceding term.</p>

<p>It may depend on whether the new budget proposal included the proposed Pell Grant cuts. does anyone know? </p>

<p>[Pell</a> Grant proposal would affect over 40 percent of UC students - The Daily Californian](<a href=“http://www.dailycal.org/article/112682/pell_grant_proposal_would_affect_over_40_percent_o]Pell”>http://www.dailycal.org/article/112682/pell_grant_proposal_would_affect_over_40_percent_o)</p>

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<p>Can anyone confirm whether or not Summer 2010 was the first summer UCs gave out Federal Pell Grants for summer to the students already receiving $5,500 maximum Federal Pell Grant in the school year? Also how much is the Summer Federal Pell Grant and how would you apply “a second time” for the Summer Federal Pell Grant?</p>

<p>I’m pretty sure summer 2010 was first year second Pell Grants were awarded. I don’t think second Pell Grants are likely summer 2011 with new federal budget bill. The full details of the budget bill and future Pell Grants haven’t surfaced yet. Attached White House blog from tonight indicates savings are available though to keep Pell Grants at current maximum award which I think is $5550. Ask your college financial aid office for answers to your questions. Keep your fingers crossed too!</p>

<p>[Details</a> of the Bipartisan Budget Deal | The White House](<a href=“http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/09/details-bipartisan-budget-deal]Details”>Details of the Bipartisan Budget Deal | whitehouse.gov)</p>

<p>I also think 2010 was the first summer of Pell grants - that is my recollection.</p>

<p>Yes, summer 2010 was the first time summer Pell Grants were issued (at any college, not just UCs). Generally, you apply by already having in FAFSA for either the current year or the next year and having met certain qualifications I don’t recall the precise details of at this moment. It depends whether your campus’ summer session is considered at the beginning or the end of the academic year (for UCSC, it as the end of the academic year).</p>

<p>While I have hopes they’ll last at least one more summer, I’m not holding my breath.</p>

<p>The census date is often well before the last date to drop with a W. Federal aid census just makes sure that a student has attended class at the start of the semester. This is to deter fraud.</p>

<p>Your other question might differ from college to college. Tell your friend to ask the FA aid office at her college. For example, if she received FA and dropped one class and now only has 9 units, then she might be billed for the difference or lose eligibility; it might be better not to drop the class, stay enrolled for 12 units, and get an F.</p>

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<p>chaos asked:</p>

<p>Also some colleges have a census date where they take a snapshot of a student’s registration units to determine whether or not to take back financial aid if you drop below units. Some colleges have the census date the day before the drop deadline. What if you drop your classes on the deadline like at the last possible hour? Or you have “special conditions” that lets you drop your classes past the deadline? Then you can actually get away with keeping your financial aid and still take below units. Has someone ever did this before? If so, can you tell me your experience. I’m actually asking this for a friend.</p>

<p>It seems so irresponsible for the government to wait to the last minute like this. Summer session starts in about a month and students don’t even know if they can afford it yet. I’m going ahead as though it’ll be here this summer.</p>

<p>i blame the republicans.</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1122539-uc-tuition-fees-could-double.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1122539-uc-tuition-fees-could-double.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Tuition at UC may double next school year. :(</p>

<p>Also I found my answer. The maximum amount for Summer 2010 Pell Grant was $2,675. If I asked you via PM for this question, then just ignore the PM. Thanks. :)</p>

<p>That might just be the maximum for semester based schools. Mine was $1,850 with quarter system.</p>

<p>I seem to remember that additional Pell grants were actually available in summer 2009 for schools that use summer as a header (i.e. summer is part of the following school year rather then the prior school year). But I think the majority of schools implemented the program in 2010.</p>

<p>Schools were REQUIRED to award second Pell in the 09-10 award year. There were a couple ways that they could do it that year (if it had a July 1 crossover period in the summer term). Remember, though, that second Pell eligibility is only for 6 or more credits. If the school was using academic year progression in the summer of 2010, it is possible that a student may not have earned enough credits to be eligible for second Pell … the combination of earned credits for the year to date + summer enrollment had to be at least one more than the number of credits that define a financial aid “year” at that school.</p>

<p>The census date is extremely important in terms of financial aid eligibility. Schools MUST adhere to their census date policies as they affect federal grant aid. This has been reiterate by ED over and over. Schools risk losing their access to federal aid if they do not award Pell in accordance with both federal and school-specific policies.</p>

<p>If a student feels that there was a problem on the school end with something, that student would need to go directly to the school financial aid office to inquire as to why the award was not given. I routinely must inform students that they cannot have a Pell grant when they added classes after the drop/add date. If there was some unusual issue that affected a particular student, there may be some type of resolution available, but this is something the student would have to pursue with the aid office.</p>

<p>The 2009-10 award year is closed for schools. I doubt there is any recourse for any 09-10 Pell problems at this point in time. Again, though, the student can request to speak to a manager in the aid office to find out what is what.</p>

<p>In all likelihood, there will be no more summer Pells.</p>

<p>The demand for Pells has rapidly increased. The Repubs want to slash the max. grant. Obama proposed to eliminate summer Pells and some other non-need scholarships to shift the funds to regular term Pells. </p>

<p>In the current environment, any budget cut that Obama proposes gets accepted by Congress.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, the current regs require that anyone with an 11-12 FAFSA on file who would receive a larger summer Pell using 11-12 must be paid out of 11-12. So … what we do not know yet is this: If 2nd Pell funding is cut, will schools be required to use 11-12 Pell for summer? If so, then students may well run out of Pell for the January term. This could be a real problem.</p>

<p>it seems ridiculous that financial aid for the upcoming year, and summer classes that start in 5 weeks round here, are still up in the air. My daughter receives pell and a small ($1000) state grant. On her FA award the state grant had a notation that they would not know till July if it would be funded. And the Pell amounts are up in the air with a possible $800 ish reduction on the cards. If she is going to lose almost $2000 from her aid it sure would be nice to know sooner rather than later so we have time to figure out our options.</p>

<p>I am so glad this will be her last year. Though she was thinking about grad school and the talk about getting rid of interest subsidies while grad students are in school is very worrying.</p>